Oh indeed, but i never use butter or marg, ever on either of them, just have a small bit of jam about 1 teaspoon, and that is only like 3pt lunch for me, so very good,it can be done and you certainly get used to doing without, i never use butter or marg on any of my sandwiches,only use it in cooking my low fat muffins, and that is about it,just have to give it up Mary lol.