A Firearm in Every Home.

[pomtzu]

Where's Karen when a lock would be a fitting application??

[Karen]

Where's Karen when a lock would be a fitting application??

I am here, what do you mean? The thread has pretty much died down, all the arguments made, no need to lock it ...

[pomtzu]

I am here, what do you mean? The thread has pretty much died down, all the arguments made, no need to lock it ...

See my explanation in a PM. Share it if you wish.

[TamanduaGirl]

Doesn't everyone already know how to use a gun? I don't mean safely or accurately but doesn't everyone know how to pick a gun up and pull the trigger? Even little kids? So how would teaching safety cause more problems?

I'm not saying everyone should be forced to but I don't see why people think learning safety equals encouraging people to shoot.

[kokopup]

guote by TamanduaGirl

I'm not saying everyone should be forced to but I don't see why people think learning safety equals encouraging people to shoot.

I have said it before and will say it again. When ever people and guns get together you have accidents. I have significant experience with people and guns. I am a gun owner and collector. Most people, especially children are not safe around guns. It is like me not allowing my wife to operate my chainsaw. I put the chainsaws and guns in the same class. There are just some things that are not safe for the majority of people or children to use. "Gun safety training" is a oxymoron. There is no way to make a gun safe. When you give someone training that infers that they know what they are doing. i have seen the most experience hunters shooting each other, and collectors shooting themselves with unload guns. That is what they thought anyway. If you have a child that you want to learn safety then teach him/her yourself, but don't expect him/her to be safe because of that training, because they aren't.

[blue]

First off Ild like to thank pomtzu and kokopup for stating the obvious, if you dont bump this thread with juvenile or insulting posts it will go away.

I have been waiting for this question!

The remaining weapons will of course be for the poor people who live in countries where they can't go down to the shop to buy their groceries, like you and me, but have to hunt to keep them from starving to death.

Arming the poor people in third world countries was part of the original premise of this thread, but its to keep them from being murdered by the people who would take their food and medical supplies supplied from foreign sources. Simply arming people to hunt without teaching them how to hunt responsibly and to maintain a sustainable supply of game is also irresponsible.

If only the "hunters" had firearms what is to stop them from taking advantage of their defenseless neighbors?

Concerning knives, I'm happy to tell you that long knives are banned here. Living in a city, you have absolutely no use for a knife when you're walking around in the street or going to a discoteque!

Knives can be very usefull for self defense, in some cases even more usefull and effective then a firearm. The problem is only law abiding citizens have stopped carrying knives for protection where you live.

Doesn't everyone already know how to use a gun? I don't mean safely or accurately but doesn't everyone know how to pick a gun up and pull the trigger? Even little kids? So how would teaching safety cause more problems?

I'm not saying everyone should be forced to but I don't see why people think learning safety equals encouraging people to shoot.

Part of safety training to me also includes consequences and personal responsability for actually using a firearm for defense of life and property.

guote by TamanduaGirl

I'm not saying everyone should be forced to but I don't see why people think learning safety equals encouraging people to shoot.

I have said it before and will say it again. When ever people and guns get together you have accidents. I have significant experience with people and guns. I am a gun owner and collector. Most people, especially children are not safe around guns. It is like me not allowing my wife to operate my chainsaw. I put the chainsaws and guns in the same class. There are just some things that are not safe for the majority of people or children to use. "Gun safety training" is a oxymoron. There is no way to make a gun safe. When you give someone training that infers that they know what they are doing. i have seen the most experience hunters shooting each other, and collectors shooting themselves with unload guns. That is what they thought anyway. If you have a child that you want to learn safety then teach him/her yourself, but don't expect him/her to be safe because of that training, because they aren't.

When people get together with anything that can cause harm or death their are accidents, and I mean anything that can cause harm or deaths. Ive seen children use both firearms and chainsaws safer the adults because they were trained in the safe use of them.

I have a Jeep in my yard with a tree resting on its roll bar and I have a perfectly running chainsaw in my shed. Why has the tree been sitting on my Jeep for 3 years now? Because Im not comfortable with chainsaw safety, when I am Ill remove the tree.

First thing a child should be taught and drilled on if they come across a firearm, GO FIND AN ADULT!

ETA: lizbud, Ive answered your questions in other threads, please answer mine in this thread..

[lizbud]

It is like me not allowing my wife to operate my chainsaw. I put the chainsaws and guns in the same class.

You don't ALLOW your wife ?

[pomtzu]

You don't ALLOW your wife ?

There could be, and probably is, a very valid reason.

My son doesn't allow me to use his chain saw (nor would a husband if there was one!) - and justly so - not that I would even want to tho. I have very limited strength and feeling in my hands and arms, so obviously it would not be safe for me to do so.

If anyone doesn't know the reasoning behind kokopup's statement, then perhaps they should refrain from looking for a reason for a confrontation.

[lizbud]

There could be, and probably is, a very valid reason.

My son doesn't allow me to use his chain saw (nor would a husband if there was one!) - and justly so - not that I would even want to tho. I have very limited strength and feeling in my hands and arms, so obviously it would not be safe for me to do so.

The words used implied the wife doesn't have the good sense not to
use a electrical tool that she knew she couldn't handle. A intelligent,
adult woman doesn't need supervision like a child would.

[pomtzu]

The words used implied the wife doesn't have the good sense not to
use a electrical tool that she knew she couldn't handle. A intelligent,
adult woman doesn't need supervision like a child would.

I personally didn't see that meaning in it at all, but then I suppose different people could have a different interpretation. I don't see where "intelligence" even enters in to what he said. Again - just IMHO.

Whatever - I'm sure his reasons are justified and none of our business anyway.