Ms. Pelosi, Meet A,B,C,D,E,F,G and H!

[Edwina's Secretary]

Because she has spoken of birth control in her life...come on ES

Oh of course! So let me see if I understand. Birth control is a bad thing...14 children is a good thing???

Where would I be without you to explain these things to me CM???

[blue]

Because she has spoken of birth control in her life...come on ES

A mother of 5, grandmother of 7, Mrs Pelosi telling others how many kids they should have so she can have more state and federal funds to further her own idealisms? Idealisms that in the end will not affect her in any way shape or form, finacially, or socially.

Pushing for more federal dollars, on top of the California state dollars, for contraceptives for US citizens as part of a stimulus package, thats saying lets spend money to save money.

None of us want our tax dollars to go to this womanedit*OctoMom*, but I would not deny the children my tax money if it meant their lives.

My conclusion from Mrs Nancy Mussolini Pelosi's statement is, its cheaper to abort then support.

[blue]

I missed this one.

How droll....

Give it a try Blue. Post that this couple who chose to use invitro after their three children were killed made a choice that was right for them and NOT a sick replacement child thing. See if I agree with you? ;-)

Droll?

If a couple who just lost their three kids, uses invitro to have 3 more kids, as tragic as the situation may be, without any other knowlege of the family history, I would call that replacing the three dead children.

I didnt call it sick, in fact I could allmost maybe understand the reasoning behind it, but I would still call it replacement.

Even if you ever even remotely agreed with me on anything, I doubt you would admit to it.

ETA: I could even see a dad who just lost his three children push his wife to have invitro to replace the kids he tragicaly lost.

[pomtzu]

I missed this one.





If a couple who just lost their three kids, uses invitro to have 3 more kids, as tragic as the situation may be, without any other knowlege of the family history, I would call that replacing the three dead children.

I didnt call it sick, in fact I could allmost maybe understand the reasoning behind it, but I would still call it replacement.



ETA: I could even see a dad who just lost his three children push his wife to have invitro to replace the kids he tragicaly lost.

That's idotic - blu. I know for sure that you don't have any kids, the same as Richard! You CAN'T EVER replace a child that has been lost.

[Medusa]

You CAN'T EVER replace a child that has been lost.

In actuality, that is true. However, there are people who believe that you can. When I was first married, my husband and I went to our family dr. for complete physicals. When the dr. heard that I was on birth control and was considering having my tubes tied, he said "You should reconsider. If something should happen to your son, (this was my second marriage) God forbid, you'll want to have more children". I said "No, I wouldn't. I'd be too heartbroken. Besides, you can't replace children like cattle". He said "You would change your mind and then it would be too late". However we feel, there are still people who feel that if a child dies, you can possibly fill the void w/another one. I think the word "replacement" is what seems offensive to some. I do understand it in theory but in practice it's another matter.

[pomtzu]

In actuality, that is true. However, there are people who believe that you can. When I was first married, my husband and I went to our family dr. for complete physicals. When the dr. heard that I was on birth control and was considering having my tubes tied, he said "You should reconsider. If something should happen to your son, (this was my second marriage) God forbid, you'll want to have more children". I said "No, I wouldn't. I'd be too heartbroken. Besides, you can't replace children like cattle". He said "You would change your mind and then it would be too late". However we feel, there are still people who feel that if a child dies, you can possibly fill the void w/another one. I think the word "replacement" is what seems offensive to some. I do understand it in theory but in practice it's another matter.

That's the exact same situation I encountered years ago. I expressed the desire to my doctor to have my tubes tied after my 2nd child, and he asked the same question - what if something happened to one or both of my children - and I said the same thing - that they could never be "replaced"!

[Medusa]

they could never be "replaced"!

And, of course, they couldn't be replaced. My point is that the word "replacement", however offensive to some, stresses the point that there is a void in the family that, in their opinion, needs to be filled. Having a family is of the utmost importance to many and if, for instance, an only child was taken from them, I can understand their wanting to have more children. I wouldn't see it as trying to replace the lost child and it's doubtful that they would see it that way too. They would be, IMO, trying to have their normalcy, their family, again. They would always revere their child's memory but having more children doesn't detract from their child's legacy. If anything, it enhances it because it's a testament to the impact that the child made on their lives.

[Edwina's Secretary]

And, of course, they couldn't be replaced. My point is that the word "replacement", however offensive to some, stresses the point that there is a void in the family that, in their opinion, needs to be filled. Having a family is of the utmost importance to many and if, for instance, an only child was taken from them, I can understand their wanting to have more children. I wouldn't see it as trying to replace the lost child and it's doubtful that they would see it that way too. They would be, IMO, trying to have their normalcy, their family, again. They would always revere their child's memory but having more children doesn't detract from their child's legacy. If anything, it enhances it because it's a testament to the impact that the child made on their lives.

That is exactly the point some of us have been making. This couple, who chose to have more children after losing their three were called "sicko" (she was anyway) for wanting "replacement children." What Pomtzu and I at least have been saying is the are not "replacements" nor is the action "sicko."

It offends me to see this couple labeled in this way.
Thank you for understanding.

[Edwina's Secretary]

Pushing for more federal dollars, on top of the California state dollars, for contraceptives for US citizens as part of a stimulus package, thats saying lets spend money to save money.

No, that's saying "let's spend money for the good of the country, its people and it limited resources." Less unplanned/unwanted pregnancies means less abortions, less poverty, less child abuse, less water rationing, less overcrowding. Those are good things.

Btw...who is your ghostwriter?

[RICHARD]

I think the word "replacement" is what seems offensive to some. I do understand it in theory but in practice it's another matter.

How does "New Kids on the Block" sound?

That would be a great name for a band.

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I think I heard about the 49 year old woman who is having quads soon just reinforces my idea that all this baby farming should be looked at closely.


I heard a doc that specializes in OB that 20-80 percent of preemie MB kids suffer from life long physical/health problems.


Poor kids, They can't pick their parents, the parents pick them.

[pomtzu]

Let me just throw one more comment in for the vultures:

Regarding the woman that had invitro after her 3 children died - some here feel she was a "sicko" and guilty of producing "replacements".........what if she had tried and happened to get pregnant "naturally"?? Then what? Does that somehow make it "acceptable"? IMO - there is absolutely no difference what-so-ever!

You "replace" a car - you "replace" a pair of shoes, since you can get another the same or very similar. You don't get a "replacement" child - you get a totally different and unique individual!

[RICHARD]

A VULTURE CIRCLING IN!

Now a woman who IVFs a litter of kids because she had money to get them is no worse that a woman who has money and NKOTBs a set of triplets to makeup for the three she lost in an accident is different?

I really don't see the diff. The crash mom- again I am probably wrong about this- probably make some ducats off of the trucker, the company he drove for and what ever insurance the family had.....So why not?.

Go toss a few K at a physician and farm out three kids at once to ease the pain.

Again, How can anyone look into the faces of those children and not think that? ANd what kind of freaky bedtime stories will the kids get....

"These are pics your dead siblings-they died in a car crash.....You never met them, but then god blessed us with you three and now we are happy!"


That puts an effing blanket of security onto the kids, eh?


"Mommy, if one of us dies will you have more kids?"

LOL,
Bad enough we all get the "was I adopted" ideas as we grow up.....now the kids have to worry about being replaced. I really want to see the CF that family grows into.

[pomtzu]

A VULTURE CIRCLING IN!

Now a woman who IVFs a litter of kids because she had money to get them is no worse that a woman who has money and NKOTBs a set of triplets to makeup for the three she lost in an accident is different?

I really don't see the diff. The crash mom- again I am probably wrong about this- probably make some ducats off of the trucker, the company he drove for and what ever insurance the family had.....So why not?.

Go toss a few K at a physician and farm out three kids at once to ease the pain.

Again, How can anyone look into the faces of those children and not think that? ANd what kind of freaky bedtime stories will the kids get....

"These are pics your dead siblings-they died in a car crash.....You never met them, but then god blessed us with you three and now we are happy!"


That puts an effing blanket of security onto the kids, eh?


"Mommy, if one of us dies will you have more kids?"

LOL,
Bad enough we all get the "was I adopted" ideas as we grow up.....now the kids have to worry about being replaced. I really want to see the CF that family grows into.

You are so far off base here that it's really pathetic. I can't believe that a grown, and supposedly intelligent man, can be so blind. Why is it so difficult for you to see that some people aren't complete without children in their lives, to love and to carry on a part of themselves for generations to come? To even think that this woman was taking advantage of the people responsible for the death of her children is absolutely ludicrous! She wanted another child, and the good Lord saw fit to bless her with three more. How terrible!! (in your opinion)! And what a childish statement to make in reference to "freaky bedtime stories". But there really isn't much point in dragging this out - because you will continue to spout off more nonsense.

[blue]

That's idiotic - blue. I know for sure that you don't have any kids, the same as Richard! You CAN'T EVER replace a child that has been lost.

No you cant replace the lost children outside of cloning.

The replacement is filling the void left from the loss of the children.

Thanks for the judgement and insult.

[blue]

No, that's saying "let's spend money for the good of the country, its people and it limited resources." Less unplanned/unwanted pregnancies means less abortions, less poverty, less child abuse, less water rationing, less overcrowding. Those are good things.

If spending money for the good of the country was the issue, they would let us keep more of it to spend to build the economy.

We already have millions if not billions spent on preventing births, do they really need millions more to stimulate the economy?

An area dosent have to be overpopulated to have poverty, child abuse, or water rationing.

Btw...who is your ghostwriter?

Are you insulting me again? Or are you saying I should author Obama's next "self written" book?