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[Catty1]

This letter to the editor in the Calgary Sun today (Feb 12) struck a chord. I think this sums it up, though it was about the 60 year old here who had twins. (She also has a large, supportive extended family which includes a husband and a sibling or two).

PREGNANCIES SEEM SELFISH

Re: Give new mom a break, Martin Hudson, Feb. 8. While I do agree with the spirit of the column and am trying not to judge, I would never state an opinion on whether they are unfit or not. But there seems to be a running theme in all the reports; from both of these women there is a lot of "me" and "I wanted" and "I need." It seems these births are all about them and what they wanted but not what perhaps would be best for the child or children. A selfish theme of "I want" with these pregnancies does not bode well for their upbringing. Like kittens and puppies, babies are a temporary state and parents are actually supposed to be raising future adults, a state in which children spend the majority of their time on earth. If you know you will not be around for their adolescence or you are a single mother of 12 to 15 children and have no time at all, how it is in the child's best interest to be born or it is just because you "want" something? Selfishness may not be crazy but perhaps it is worse. If they were truly crazy they would not have been allowed to breed.

Shannon Navarrete

[Freckles]

Dr. Phil's show for 2/12/2009 is titled "Octuplets Scandal".

[RICHARD]

This letter to the editor in the Calgary Sun today (Feb 12) struck a chord. I think this sums it up, though it was about the 60 year old here who had twins. (She also has a large, supportive extended family which includes a husband and a sibling or two).

Couples today do not give the same respect that parenthood is due...
When is anyone gonna bag on the father? I can guess it would have happened even is she didn't know the guy, but when is everyone going to make a beeline to his doorstep and look for accountability?

Again,

There are a few people are stupid, selfish and oh, so idiotic when it comes to 'making' babies.

I go back to the woman in Cah Lee Fuh Nee ah that lost her three kids when a truck hit the car they were in. She goes to have three to replace the lost kids, by in-vitro and her life is complete again.

I say BS and it shows that some people refuse to move on and live a normal life- This couple decides to get a replacement set of kids.

Me? I'd be too heartbroken to even think about 'replacing' my children.


It's all done, because they can do it and there is no respect for 'birthing' children anymore. In-vitro for the selfish, is just about status and some parents parade the kids around with the modifier- This is our little miracle!


I can hardly wait until we can order 'Kustom Kids' and then watch the eff ups that will come from that!

Don't mess with mom nature!

[pomtzu]

I go back to the woman in Cah Lee Fuh Nee ah that lost her three kids when a truck hit the car they were in. She goes to have three to replace the lost kids, by in-vitro and her life is complete again.

I say BS and it shows that some people refuse to move on and live a normal life- This couple decides to get a replacement set of kids.

Me? I'd be too heartbroken to even think about 'replacing' my children.


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I'm not comparing pets to kids here, but isn't this the same as many people do when they lose a furbaby? Somehow your life is very empty and lonely when you lose a beloved animal, just as a human's is when they lose a child, so you get another to fill the void. Saying that you're making a replacement is rather harsh. Some people want a child in their life to love, and tho the one they had is gone, there can be another, but never a replacement. No different than getting another dog, or cat or bunny - or whatever!

Octomom didn't lose any - just added more to her already chaotic life.

[Grace]

Has anyone noticed her hands? In the video you can see her perfect nails - how does one manage that taking care of 6 kids? How does one afford the cost?

[phesina]

When is anyone gonna bag on the father? I can guess it would have happened even is she didn't know the guy, but when is everyone going to make a beeline to his doorstep and look for accountability?

EXCELLENT, Richard.

[phesina]

Has anyone noticed her hands? In the video you can see her perfect nails - how does one manage that taking care of 6 kids? How does one afford the cost?

I noticed them, too. Those white-capped fingernails as she powders the tiny baby's butt..

[Edwina's Secretary]

I go back to the woman in Cah Lee Fuh Nee ah that lost her three kids when a truck hit the car they were in. She goes to have three to replace the lost kids, by in-vitro and her life is complete again.

I say BS and it shows that some people refuse to move on and live a normal life- This couple decides to get a replacement set of kids.

Me? I'd be too heartbroken to even think about 'replacing' my children.

I become so angry every time you MISREPRESENT this situation.

This couple had three children. The children were killed in a tragic accident. The mother was driving -- stopped on an exit ramp when she was rear-ended by a semi traveling at a high rate of speed.

The children were all killed.

Because of her age, remaining childbearing years and other medical consideration she, her husband and her doctors chose invitro.

Because of her age three embryos were implanted in the hopes of one healthy child. All three "took" and she was delivered of triplets.

They very much wanted to be parents. I do not think it was a "miracle" but rather a private decision and a medical outcome.

I do not know how I would feel or what I would do if my three children were killed and neither do you RICHARD. You do not know you would be "too heartbroken" to think of having more children.

And I think your statement that they should "move on and live a normal life" and to suggest they were after "replacement children" is disgusting.

However, very typical that you speak of "her" and what "she" did wrong immediately after complaining about people not holding fathers responsible.

If you actually read anything about this story you would know how often she and her husband have spoken of that their lives will never be the same and will always ache for the loss of the three children. But of course, you know better than they do.

[Edwina's Secretary]

In-vitro for the selfish, is just about status and some parents parade the kids around with the modifier- This is our little miracle!

And this statement...In-vitro is for the selfish...is the second most offensive thing you wrote.

Petty, jealous, sour, and yes...selfish.

[blue]

I become so angry every time you MISREPRESENT this situation.

This couple had three children. The children were killed in a tragic accident. The mother was driving -- stopped on an exit ramp when she was rear-ended by a semi traveling at a high rate of speed.

The children were all killed.

Because of her age, remaining childbearing years and other medical consideration she, her husband and her doctors chose invitro.

Because of her age three embryos were implanted in the hopes of one healthy child. All three "took" and she was delivered of triplets.

They very much wanted to be parents. I do not think it was a "miracle" but rather a private decision and a medical outcome.

I do not know how I would feel or what I would do if my three children were killed and neither do you RICHARD. You do not know you would be "too heartbroken" to think of having more children.

And I think your statement that they should "move on and live a normal life" and to suggest they were after "replacement children" is disgusting.

However, very typical that you speak of "her" and what "she" did wrong immediately after complaining about people not holding fathers responsible.

If you actually read anything about this story you would know how often she and her husband have spoken of that their lives will never be the same and will always ache for the loss of the three children. But of course, you know better than they do.

And this statement...In-vitro is for the selfish...is the second most offensive thing you wrote.

Petty, jealous, sour, and yes...selfish.

The angry is strong with you.

[pomtzu]

The angry is strong with you.

Justifiably so IMO. I have to agree 100% - that the situation was misrepresented yet again. ES said exactly what I was trying to express a few posts earlier, however, she has a way with words that I lack.
Just the suggestion that the children of the ones that were lost in the accident were merely replacements, is so cruel, heartless and narrow minded. I found it to be quite offensive, and anyone that has children (and MOST who don't), would never believe it was the intention of having another child/children merely as a "replacement".

Total your car in an accident, and most likely you can replace it with one exactly like it. Would you even WANT to do the same with a child????

[Grace]

He's at it again -

Dr. Michael Kamrava, the in-vitro fertilization specialist responsible for Octomom, has over-impregnated another woman - this time with quadruplets.

This time a 49 year old, with 3 grown children, married for the 2nd time, and wanting a baby. Word is he implanted 7 embryos this time.

LINK

[DJFyrewolf36]

WARNING: This is a personal opnion, disagreement is bound to happen so lets leave it at that

I have lost a child. My first child was stillborn at full term. I now have a healthy, happy wonderful little boy that I love with all my heart. Do I think I was emotionally ready after my daughters death to have another child? No I honestly do not. The thought of getting pregnant again scared the ever living cr@p out of me. Would I have sought out a way to get pregnant again by any means? No I wouldn't have. For some reason God wanted me to have another child. For some reason God wanted to call my first child home. I believe everything happens for a reason. When a woman is impregnated to me it seems as if people are putting trust in science rather than God. THEY want a child right THEN so they take it upon themselves to make a decision that might not be best for the mother or the children involved. Conversely, I didn't want a child however I became pregnant and I learned from the situation. I count my child as a blessing, even doubly so because I was told I could never have children naturally again. My little boy wants for nothing and I will fight to the death to make sure it stays that way! This woman in my opinion does not want children for the joy of having children. She wants children for the joy of having attention. If she TRUELY wanted these kids, she would accept the blessings of others with humility and try her hardest to make sure she was giving each and every one of those kids the attention they deserve and need from their mother instead of parading around like a media whore (pardon my language but it fits).

Maybe not all in-vitro parents are selfish people, in fact I am sure of it. The ones that ARE selfish are those who do it simply for the attention they know having a child will get them. To me, there is something fundamentally wrong with this woman and the way she is presenting herself.

[Edwina's Secretary]

Maybe not all in-vitro parents are selfish people, in fact I am sure of it. The ones that ARE selfish are those who do it simply for the attention they know having a child will get them. To me, there is something fundamentally wrong with this woman and the way she is presenting herself.

I could not agree with you more. The Octomom is nuts. Plain and simple. I do not think she has enough self-awareness to realize how selfish her conduct is -- but it is.

However, to make ANY comparison to her and the couple who tragically lost their children is obscene.

I cannot help but wonder what kind of a "normal" life the OP thinks the couple will EVER live after losing their children. As you have so eloquently shown us the pain does not go away whether you have more children or not.

I am happy for you in your son...

[DJFyrewolf36]

I could not agree with you more. The Octomom is nuts. Plain and simple. I do not think she has enough self-awareness to realize how selfish her conduct is -- but it is.

However, to make ANY comparison to her and the couple who tragically lost their children is obscene.

I cannot help but wonder what kind of a "normal" life the OP thinks the couple will EVER live after losing their children. As you have so eloquently shown us the pain does not go away whether you have more children or not.

I am happy for you in your son...

I am honestly glad to see we agree on something Thank you for your reply! I can say from personal experience that there is no "normal" life after losing a child, none whatsoever.