Ms. Pelosi, Meet A,B,C,D,E,F,G and H!

[pomtzu]

Well...well...well... on the radio this morning the daily report on this woman mentioned she is on MediCal (the state program of medical care for the indigent)! So I guess it IS costing something to other than "the people in the plan..."

Oh my-my! I'm soooo surprised!

[sasvermont]

I had a feeling the health insurance issue was going to be public assistance. That really, really, irks me because she cannot afford to take of these children - let alone pay the insurance.

"As the stomach turns" - stay tuned!

[RICHARD]

OH MY!

I was wrong.


I'd like all of you to take a post-it and write on it, "I DON'T WANT my hard earned money to go for this travesty of health care." and attach it to your tax return.

It works for me. I have never been charged for anything that I have made a note of. I never get a bill or notice!

Now, That is what I love about my government and the people who are too lazy to write a short note to the people in charge!

[Edwina's Secretary]

OH MY!

I was wrong.


I'd like all of you to take a post-it and write on it, "I DON'T WANT my hard earned money to go for this travesty of health care."

It works for me. I have never been charged for anything that I have made a note of. I never get a bill or notice!

Now, That is what I love about my government and the people who are too lazy to write a short note to the people in charge!

Can't just say "I was wrong" and be done with it can you? You have to insult people to boot. I guess we should be amazed you said you were wrong.

You were wrong. And you would have been wrong even if she did pay premiums to Kaiser. Just as you write above (I think) we all pay for it, regardless. Just because someone has medical insurance does not mean that no one but those who are also in that medical plan pay the expenses.

There are limited resources -- medical care, water, clean air, food, energy.

We need to start to understand that and act accordingly.

[cassiesmom]

this woman obsessed w/ child bearing (according to her parents)

Just a question, can this be considered a psychological obsession? Is there a diagnosis for an unreasonable obsession with pregnancy and birth? Because maybe that would have been a reasonable argument for the physicians to not implant all eight.

Consider that she has six other children to care for and ask yourself if it's reasonable or ethical to add more children to the mix.

Question again. If it is unreasonable or unethical for this woman with six children to bear eight more - which I definitely think it is, for reasons that have been well articulated elsewhere in this thread - what can be done about it? And whose responsibility is it - the medical community, the legal system, etc.? It is not biophysically responsible for this woman to have borne eight children at once. A bad decision on the doctor's part to allow the treatment to go forward. It is not fiscally responsible because all of the babies will incur massive medical bills that the mother is obviously not able to pay more than a minuscule portion of. They may very well have long-term complications of prematurity. None of the 14 will get the share of their mother's attention that they deserve. And there are other women in this world dealing with infertility.

[RICHARD]

Just a question, can this be considered a psychological obsession? Is there a diagnosis for an unreasonable obsession with pregnancy and birth? Because maybe that would have been a reasonable argument for the physicians to not implant all eight.


Question again. If it is unreasonable or unethical for this woman with six children to bear eight more - which I definitely think it is, for reasons that have been well articulated elsewhere in this thread - what can be done about it?

Yes, the grandma talked about it this afternoon, the mom was an only child and had problems with ther being an OC.

IF she had was implanted here in the U.S. 'ethically' there is a cutoff to the number of embryos that can be implanted., I am not familiar with what they would do to the clinic or physician. This may bring in new standards to bear against U.S. physicians, but if she went out of country to have it done there is pretty much nothing that can be done to sanction the parties who did it.


Oh, I talked to my tax man and he said it was quite all right to ask that none of my taxes be paid out to support this woman....

As if that was possible.

[blue]

There are limited resources -- medical care.

And your thoughts on Nationalized Healthcare are?

[Cinder & Smoke]

And your thoughts on Nationalized Healthcare are?

I think this case of the 14 Kids is fast turning into an example of
"Nationalized Healthcare for the Few".

There's NO doubt (in my mind) that ALL these 14 Kids will be well cared for
(medically) for the rest of their lives - the News and the Public Outcries will
make sure of that.

And WHO's paying?
Good ole Cal-ee-fornia - with a lotta help from ALL of us in the form of
Federal subsidies to California.

Hope ya'll enjoy YOUR share of "our" Kids.





/s/ Phred

[Medusa]

She may not get all the donations, etc. that she hopes. People in this country are getting fed up w/bail outs of all kinds, companies are going out of business and/or laying off people daily at an alarming rate and there may not be the resources to contribute to this woman and her situation. It may not turn out the way she wants it to at all.

[pomtzu]

Obviously Big Brother can't tell a woman how many children she can or can't have, but can't Big Brother tell her how many that she will get public assistance for? Since I've never been on the receiving end of the hand out system, I don't know what limits, if any, that a woman is restricted to.
So before I say any more to upset the minorities here, does anyone know if there is a cap on the amount of money a woman can receive? Does she get a set amount for each child, or is it on a scale and the amount decreases with each additional child? Inquiring minds want to know!!!

ETA - Clarification
When I made reference to "minorities" - I was meaning the one/s here that don't seem to feel that giving away tax money to this person is a big issue. I don't want to start a civil war here on PT!

[KYS]

She doesn't have a job but wants lots of children which
is her dream.

Her dream is fine as long as she can care for and afford to care for them with-out my hard earned money..
At this point I hope she gets lots of $$$ deals so the tax payers do
not have to foot the bill. JMHO
Who was this Dr. anyway who implanted her when she already had 6 children and no job?

http://news.aol.com/article/octuplet...509x1201254495

[RICHARD]

She doesn't have a job but wants lots of children which
is her dream.

Her dream is fine as long as she can care for and afford to care for them with-out my hard earned money..
At this point I hope she gets lots of $$$ deals so the tax payers do
not have to foot the bill. JMHO
Who was this Dr. anyway who implanted her when she already had 6 children and no job?

http://news.aol.com/article/octuplet...509x1201254495

We are stuck with the bill, yet all the people who don't want the government or big brother getting involved with the 'sectshul' habits of the North American
Morons aren't happy either way.


Woman want to have birth control covered by BB, but don't want the men to have Viagra?

We want to have kids but don't want BB to control the embryo implantation numbers? " I want three and then tie the tubes!"

You can go to a clinic and get invitro 7 times like this woman has had, but other woman want the insurance to cover the cost of them getting treatments to get pregnant?


EFF THAT.

If you can't do it on your own, do a Angelina, I can't stand that kook, but at least she goes and takes care of the anklebiters from other countries.

This whole scene just shows the frantic labels we have put on motherhood and how 'invalid' women are if they can't become mothers.

We think that it's o.k., like the woman who lost her three kids in an accident then gets in-vitro to replace them, like three new humans will ever take up the room in her heart!

Then we have problems with some idiot who squeezes out eight at once?


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In the early years of EABs (abortions) you had to go see a shrink, now you can toss out any reason to kill a kid,

THe opposite is true with kids. No woman feels fulfilled unless they spend money trying to get pregnant..

I am tired of spending MY TAX dollars funding fertility clinics for women who are dumb enough to believe that popping out a kid makes them a More Valuable Person in the world.

[Grace]

Ellen Goodman has an opinion piece about this mess. the last paragraph pretty much sums it up -

But right now, a reproductive business that generates so much controversy has produced a remarkable consensus. Infertility treatment for an unemployed, single mother of six? Eight embryos in one womb? There must be a proper word in the medical literature to describe this achievement. I think the word is "nuts."

[Edwina's Secretary]

We are stuck with the bill, yet all the people who don't want the government or big brother getting involved with the 'sectshul' habits of the North American
Morons aren't happy either way.


Woman want to have birth control covered by BB, but don't want the men to have Viagra?

We want to have kids but don't want BB to control the embryo implantation numbers? " I want three and then tie the tubes!"

You can go to a clinic and get invitro 7 times like this woman has had, but other woman want the insurance to cover the cost of them getting treatments to get pregnant?


EFF THAT.

If you can't do it on your own, do a Angelina, I can't stand that kook, but at least she goes and takes care of the anklebiters from other countries.

This whole scene just shows the frantic labels we have put on motherhood and how 'invalid' women are if they can't become mothers.

We think that it's o.k., like the woman who lost her three kids in an accident then gets in-vitro to replace them, like three new humans will ever take up the room in her heart!

Then we have problems with some idiot who squeezes out eight at once?


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In the early years of EABs (abortions) you had to go see a shrink, now you can toss out any reason to kill a kid,

THe opposite is true with kids. No woman feels fulfilled unless they spend money trying to get pregnant..

I am tired of spending MY TAX dollars funding fertility clinics for women who are dumb enough to believe that popping out a kid makes them a More Valuable Person in the world.

Wow...that has to be the most misogynistic rant I have seen! Just Wow!

Why do you hate women so much???....and please...after reading the above there is NOTHING you can say that would suggest you do anything but hate women.

[blue]

Wow...that has to be the most misogynistic rant I have seen! Just Wow!

Why do you hate women so much???....and please...after reading the above there is NOTHING you can say that would suggest you do anything but hate women.

After reading your posts in this thread, about having to pay for this womans children with your tax dollars, I dont see much of a difference between his post and your posts.

Im suggesting that if a woman wrote what RICHARD did you wouldnt have a problem, but since RICHARD isnt a woman, yes I'm assuming here, you have a problem with what he wrote.

So why do you hate men and single mothers?