Can somebody explain the most recent Israel/Palestine conflict?

[Randi]

Let's not forget that the Palestianians were there first, and had lived there for a long time. Palestine was divided up... I think, after the 6 days war in 1967, but Israel still wanted more! At the time they had even been given more than 50 %. Where was the Palestinians supposed to go?

[Lady's Human]

The Palestinians were given part of Jordan as part of the settlement after WW2. They tried to overthrow the government, Jordan tossed them.

Israel wanted more? No, Israel was attacked by multiple countries, and expanded their borders to defensible positions in response.

If it was just about territory, Israel could have easily held onto the Sinai.

[jennielynn1970]

The Palestinians were given part of Jordan as part of the settlement after WW2. They tried to overthrow the government, Jordan tossed them.

Israel wanted more? No, Israel was attacked by multiple countries, and expanded their borders to defensible positions in response.

If it was just about territory, Israel could have easily held onto the Sinai.

Israel wants to control everything. Their flag says it all. The blue lines represent rivers. The star represents the people in between. They want to control what lies between the rivers, and that's a lot of land. From the Nile to the Euphrates, all the land in between is supposed to be an Israeli land.

Israel DOES indeed want more land. It wants to control whatever it can.

Israel, in my opinion, should not exist. It should be Palestine. I wish everyone could live peacefully under that name, whether they be Jewish or Muslim. I just don't see it happening.

Unfortunately, all the US does is back Israel. We do whatever they tell us to do (the government). We're just a puppet state for them, really. Heaven forbid we actually say we think that Palestinians have a right to want their land back, or that Fatah and Hammas are fighting for their rights and their land.

Both Israel and Hammas are armed. You can't say that one is wrong and the other is not. They both are fighting, and they both are killing, and the innocent are stuck in the middle. The whole situation just sucks.

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Israel wants to control everything. Their flag says it all. The blue lines represent rivers. The star represents the people in between. They want to control what lies between the rivers, and that's a lot of land. From the Nile to the Euphrates, all the land in between is supposed to be an Israeli land.

Then why, time after time, does Israel offer and abide by cease fires with the Palistinians? Why are some Palistinians citizens of Isreal, with freedom of travel in Israels borders?

Israel DOES indeed want more land. It wants to control whatever it can.

Your proof is.....? And second hand stories from your ex does not qualify as proof.

Israel, in my opinion, should not exist. It should be Palestine. I wish everyone could live peacefully under that name, whether they be Jewish or Muslim. I just don't see it happening.

I believe to be historicly/biblicly correct it should be Philistine. The Jews have made many attemps to make peace with the Palistinians only to be shot in the face and have their children blown up.

Unfortunately, all the US does is back Israel. We do whatever they tell us to do (the government). We're just a puppet state for them, really. Heaven forbid we actually say we think that Palestinians have a right to want their land back, or that Fatah and Hammas are fighting for their rights and their land.

Heaven forbid, should we publicly back people and groups attacking civilians and children in the name of getting their land back? Should we publicly back groups that attack innocents and then use their own innocents as shields?

Both Israel and Hammas are armed. You can't say that one is wrong and the other is not. They both are fighting, and they both are killing, and the innocent are stuck in the middle. The whole situation just sucks.

Yes it sucks, but why cant I say it is wrong to use civilians as a shield and a tool for death and destruction? Why cant I say its wrong to agree to a cease fire and then launch rockets into civilian centers or sending out suicide/homicide bombers?

[jennielynn1970]

Did I say I was "quoting" my ex?? Did I mention him in the last how many posts?? No. I'm just saying what I think from what I've read.

Both parties use innocents. Both parties have killed innocents. I just don't see how it's going to have any kind of ending. Or anything peaceable.

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Did I say I was "quoting" my ex?? Did I mention him in the last how many posts?? No. I'm just saying what I think from what I've read.

Both parties use innocents. Both parties have killed innocents. I just don't see how it's going to have any kind of ending. Or anything peaceable.

You seem to place great importance on your ex's opinion. [EDIT]I never said you where quoting your ex, only that you where relating stories from him secondhand.[/EDIT] And you have ducked the question of proof for your statement of

Israel DOES indeed want more land. It wants to control whatever it can.

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How does Israel use their innocents against Hammas and the Palistinian terrorists?

[jennielynn1970]

You seem to place great importance on your ex's opinion. [EDIT]I never said you where quoting your ex, only that you where relating stories from him secondhand.[/EDIT] And you have ducked the question of proof for your statement of

I place great importance on what he's told me, as well as the different sites I've read over the years about the situation. If he's experience things first hand, since he IS a Palestinian refugee, why shouldn't I place great importance upon what he has told me in regards to that?? I've heard about his relatives being killed, I've heard about his brother and father living on the boats, unable to dock at any country during the conflict in Kuwait.

Did I say that I back all the crazy things that the Islamic radical fundamentalists do? No. I don't back anything that is so crazy and creates more chaos. What I was saying was that, I understand how they can be so upset and pissed off that they are displaced. They were driven out of their land, like the Native Americans were (which I'm related to, through my grandpa, he was Delaware Indian).

I still think that the land belongs to the Palestinians and others who lived there before they created Israel after WWII. That's my belief, and I've believed that even before I met my ex (back in 2003). He and I didn't agree on many things, but we bonded on that one.

[momoffuzzyfaces]

Let's not forget that the Palestianians were there first, and had lived there for a long time. Palestine was divided up... I think, after the 6 days war in 1967, but Israel still wanted more! At the time they had even been given more than 50 %. Where was the Palestinians supposed to go?

Really Israel was there first. They were thrown out by the Romans in 70 AD. There are still ruins from their original buildings there just being found by archelogists.

[jennielynn1970]

Really Israel was there first. They were thrown out by the Romans in 70 AD. There are still ruins from their original buildings there just being found by archelogists.

People were there, not "Israelis".

People.

Israel did NOT exist before WWII.

[Grace]

Originally Posted by momoffuzzyfaces.
Really Israel was there first. They were thrown out by the Romans in 70 AD. There are still ruins from their original buildings there just being found by archelogists.

People were there, not "Israelis".

People.
Israel did NOT exist before WWII.

Jews were there, along with Palestinians. Jews have been in that area for centuries. Israel is the very embodiment of Jewish continuity: It is the only nation on earth that inhabits the same land, bears the same name, speaks the same language, and worships the same God that it did 3,000 years ago. You dig the soil and you find pottery from Davidic times, coins from Bar Kokhba, and 2,000-year-old scrolls.
The name Israel derives from the name given to Jacob. The name Jew derives from Yehuda (Judah) one of the 12 sons of Jacob (Reuben, Shimon, Levi, Yehuda, Dan, Naphtali, Gad, Asher, Yisachar, Zevulun, Yosef, Binyamin). So, the names Israel, Israeli or Jewish refer to people of the same origin.

The people of modern day Israel share the same language and culture shaped by the Jewish heritage and religion passed through generations starting with the founding father Abraham (ca. 1800 BCE). Thus, Jews have had continuous presence in the land of Israel for the past 3,300 years.

[Edwina's Secretary]

Really Israel was there first. They were thrown out by the Romans in 70 AD. There are still ruins from their original buildings there just being found by archelogists.

A slippery slope if you start relying on boundaries in 70 AD! Let's see...North America was inhabited by....

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A slippery slope if you start relying on boundaries in 70 AD! Let's see...North America was inhabited by....

Nobody.

[Edwina's Secretary]

Nobody.

Really?

About 14,000 years ago, humans crossed the Bering land bridge from Siberia to North America, most experts agree.

http://www.livescience.com/history/0....html#comments

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A slippery slope if you start relying on boundaries in 70 AD! Let's see...North America was inhabited by....

Really?



http://www.livescience.com/history/0....html#comments

OMG!!! You actually back up somthing you stated with some facts!!!

I will concede the point to you.

So should we give the continent back to the original settlers of the continent and move back to where ever the heck we came from?

[momoffuzzyfaces]

Nobody.

My Native American kinfolk and I beg to differ with you on this!

QUOTE: So should we give the continent back to the original settlers of the continent and move back to where ever the heck we came from?
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Ok, but tell me which country those of us with mixed heritages should go back to? Besides, I did come from this country!