Why did you vote for Obama or not...?

[Marigold2]

No I have never been to Mexico and don't think I would ever go. I don't like beaches or warm weather.
My comment had to do with all the Mexicans coming here accross our boarder and first thing they do is drop a kid so they can stay. I wish more of them would try and make their country a place they can be proud of instead of one they want to leave.
As for the other comments.
There are many fine examples of people before the interent, before everyone had a TV or even a newspaper, people who went against the grain and made a positive difference, education or no education.
Dolly Parton comes to mind. She grew up very poor, in a small town and instead of having 14 kids she wanted something better for herself. Oprah is another example as is Obama. He grew up without a father, of mixed race which back then was unheard of in my corner of the world and instead of turning to drugs or having children he turned to growth and education. All of these people started life with no money and all became wonderful, and postive people.
Money, education do not make a good person or intellignet person. Michael Landon and Carol Burnett are two more examples of people who had sad and poor starts but pulled themselves up and made a positive effect on this world.
No matter where you live, or what you have to deal with people have to take the first step and say to themselves I can be different, I can overcome, this does not have to be my life. I don't have to do what my parents did. All it takes is a bit of brains and some hard work and a dream for something better. The government is not soley responable for peoples well being and happiness. Birth control as you said can be given out but if people don't use it then they are going to remain poor. People need to want to change, it has to be something in their soul if you will. I am sure many of the Dr's we have in this country grew up on the poor streets of Calcutta and pulled themselves up and out.
Kennedy had one of the best speeches ever. Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country. And if you think about it, most of the people we admire, truly look up to have followed that advice.

Marigold, I am not sure why you keep bringing up mexico, have you spent much time there? Mexico does have poverty but they have a lot of good things there too, many of their priorities are a little bit better than the ones here imo.

Are you basing this on newsclip or have you spent a lot of time there?

[Edwina's Secretary]

No My comment had to do with all the Mexicans coming here accross our boarder and first thing they do is drop a kid so they can stay.

I vowed to stay away. But I cannot allow such an ignorant, disgusting, filthy statement to go unchallenged.

Drop a kid. You are an embarrassment.

[caseysmom]

I vowed to stay away. But I cannot allow such an ignorant, disgusting, filthy statement to go unchallenged.

Drop a kid. You are an embarrassment.

I am speechless at the racism of this remark. This is deeply offending on so many levels.

[Lady's Human]

Now you've irritated me. You've got me agreeing with ES on something.

[ilovemypup]

Marigold...that is such a disrespectful...stressful post I don't even know where to begin.

[Marigold2]

Some facts to support those horrible racist remarks.,
I am also the granddaughter of immigrants.
I am the daughter of immigrants.
I was an immigrant for over two years.
I bore a child in another land.
My entire family is from another country.
My mother was in concentration camp. I am not a racist, these are the facts below. Hope it's not too confusing.

I am speechless at the racism of this remark. This is deeply offending on so many levels.

You think the war in Iraq is costing us too much?

Boy, am I confused. I have been hammered with the propaganda that it is the Iraq war and the war on terror that is bankrupting us. I now find that to be RIDICULOUS. Read on...

I hope the following 14 reasons are forwarded over and over again until they are read so many times that the reader gets sick of reading them. I have included the URL's for verification of all the following facts.

1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year by state governments.
Verify at: http://tinyurl.com/zob77
2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens.
Verify at: http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens.
Verify at: http://wwwcis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html
4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English!
Verify at: http://transcripts.CNN.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.0.HTML
5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies.
Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens.
Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens.
Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare & social services by the American taxpayers.
Verify at: http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01.html
9. $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens.
Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that's two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US
Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0606/12/ldt.01.html
11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroin and
marijuana, crossed into the U. S from the Southern border.
Verify at: Homeland Security Report: http://tinyurl.com/t9sht
12. The National Policy Institute, 'estimated that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period.'
Verify at: http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org/pdf/deportation.pdf
13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back to their countries of origin.
Verify at: http://www.rense.com/general75/niht.htm
14. 'The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States .'
Verify at: http://www.drdsk.com/articleshtml
The total cost is a whopping $338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR.

Are we THAT stupid?

[caseysmom]

Marigold, Did you read the full CNN transcript? Lets look at option 10...did you find the information in the transcript? It did not seem out of context to you? Perhaps you are having trouble grasping the quote that this was taken from?

Oh and about 5 of your links are invalid...hope thats not too complicated to comprehend. You really did your homework. Might want to actually read what you cut and paste next time.

[Marigold2]

Oh pooh, yes 10 is a mixup. Tried to do my best but it's late and some of these links are old research. I am not perfect but I do have some good and accurate facts here. You might not like what you read or what it says about humans as a whole but it is not racist and it's not bias. It's just the ugly truth. Wish it wasn't so.

[caseysmom]

Oh pooh, yes 10 is a mixup. Tried to do my best but it's late and some of these links are old research. I am not perfect but I do have some good and accurate facts here. You might not like what you read or what it says about humans as a whole but it is not racist and it's not bias. It's just the ugly truth. Wish it wasn't so.

Its a bunch of B.S. and if you don't realize that I pity you. FIVE of your links are INVALID. The CNN quotes are out of context....give me one thing that is left?

[RICHARD]

No I have never been to Mexico and don't think I would ever go. I don't like beaches or warm weather.

I guess California is off your bucket list?

Hey, check this out. Find out the reason why Dolly Parton looks the way she does. Interesting story.

Michael Landon is dead and the Carol Burnett thing with her ear was a secret code.


Anything else you aren't clear on?

And did you like the plate?

[blue]

Im sure the anchor baby tactic, Amendment 14, has been used by many people of many races, and from many countries. I can see Marigold's point but she could have been much more tactfull in stating it.

[WHITEPOST]Like Im one to talk about being tactfull.[/WHITEPOST]

[caseysmom]

I can see Marigold's point

No surprise to hear that.

[blue]

No surprise to hear that.

Her point and how she made it are very different things.

[Bonny]

I can see Marigolds point. The thing is every different race has different customs. My sister in law's sister who is a nun went to Africa thinking she was going to teach the women about birth control. Sister got very frustrated & came back to the states shaking her head. A man becomes a man when he produces off spring before the age of 15 or else he is not a man.

We are dealing with a historical raid on a Jewish Kosher plant where they allowed illegals to come in & work & got caught. It is a big mess. They don't have any health insurance & our local hospital has had to suck up losses incurred treating the illegals & legals. Luckily there are people who do care food, & housing has been donated. Some have found new jobs & homes with the help of translaters from our local college. There are some illegals back in the little town caring for their children & have to wear ankle braclets. There are people working to help them get through this not knowing what their fate will be? A person gets torn between what is right & what isn't. All I know the world is over populated & I don't think God planned on it being this way even though he/she said go forth & multiply.

[RICHARD]

I went to bed thinking about this thread.....

I have to say something about the Mexican community. I know it well.
MY dad was an I!!E@G@! -Apparently there is an effort afoot to prevent the word illegal from being used in courts all across the country- and he made it a priority that his kids get a good life here in the Good Old United States. There is a very disturbing trend at identifying all illegals as "mexicans". More on that later on.

The new adjectives for people who cross the border are, Undocumented, Misplaced, Forced out.......and so on! LOL, the next legal term for a murderer will be a "Denier of Life".

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The phrase "drop a kid" is more a slam against the kid, than it is against the mother or a race/culture. The first person who suggested that it may smack of racism needs to look first at where the phrase came from.

Somewhere-I do believe I heard it start somewhere in the San Diego media-someone tossed out the term anchor baby. Is that a slam against sailors?
Heavy metal objects used to hold boats/ships in place? Drop a baby? Not too enamoured of that term, but these days the vernacular tends to make things/circumstances nice, neat little packages that will get the news reader under the three-minute-per-story-time limit.

I actually have more of a problem with the tone of the post - As you may all know, Dolly Parton modeled her look after the streetwalkers/prostitutes of her town. What does that say about her?

The post was intended to shock and to make people really upset. It really doesn't bother me. I understand the irritation in the comments-I have to laugh at the Indian doctor/Calcutta reference-that's probably not true-most of the young Indian docs were born here and went to school in the U.S.

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I am all for immigration, green cards, visas and all the other good stuff that brings productivity and prosperity to our country. But you have to start at the top and parsing some of the blame where it belongs.

The government-elected officials and laws- have been very lax about the rules covering immigration. Some who want to curb the problem are "racists" others who want to enact laws protecting the illegality of what is happening are the people who are looking for the 'destruction' of what we have now in the country.

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I don't want to go on because it's all stuff we have hashed out before-but one thing that makes me laugh.

Si Se Puede is a term that the Mexican population coined a few years back in an effort to win back the government from the AH people in charge.

It's an incomplete thought-Yes It Can-It should be Si Se Puede Hacer- Yes It Can Be Done. So right there I shake my head at the 'value' of the phrase.

It evolves into a rallying cry for our election, and again it's an incomplete thought, Yes We Can-Can what? Now people will say it's incomplete because it opens up the possibility of being able to do anything, but incomplete ideas like that are just that, incomplete ideas.

Si Se Puede? Not anytime soon, the same people who looked to wrestle control back to the people in Mexico are the ones dying everyday in Tijuana, in the wars between the drug cartels. The buzz on the spanish language channels was to support the BO run for office because the Dems were looking at amnesty for everyone in some way.

The interviews from the Illegal Man on the Street were telling, Maybe the new presidente los va dar derechos!!!! The illegals were looking at the new president to give them rights!

Which brings us to the idea of granting rights to people who are here illegally.

They should be granted HUMAN RIGHTS, but extending them the privileges that we have earned, bled and payed for seems to defeat some of the ideas we have about living in the U.S.

This is a tough subject to broach and there are arguements on both sides that are to be listened to, but I tend to look at the statements made more as a slam against people in general. The pinpointing of a certain group-Mexicans- show a certain degree of ignorance regarding the total picture. I don't take it personally and think it just reflects the ideas the media puts out about people.

Anyone that speaks spanish is Mexican, so, if all illegals speak spanish?

I guess that could be a racist statement, but I have always thought that some of the more racist statements are ground in fact. Wetback, Beaner, Taco Bender-the term "Wada" is the spanish equivalent of the N-word. The Hispanic population use it freely, without the drama attached to the N-word. We tend to shrug our shoulders and get back to work. We cannot argue with the terms because they are based in who and what we are. I am a Beaner, but not a wetback-That is the way the Border Patrol would I.D. the people who had just made it across the river to the U.S., I am a taco bender-it's just words.

I am not offended, If you want to hurt me, tell me that as a citizen I cannot partake in what I contribute to. That will make me mad-and maybe the next time you bite into a taco or burrito, or eat rice and beans-think about the nice people who brought you the idea.

Otherwise, we are taking back California, Texas, Nevada and Colorado, Keep Utah and Florida. We don't do well in hurricanes or snow.