Why did you vote for Obama or not...?

[RICHARD]

A little more on our FA attitude-

On this thread there is a pretty decent cross section of what "America" is all about. We have all these wonderful ideas, fashions and fads that travel all around the world that suck everyone else into out ideals, waste and stupidity.

Where else in the world do parents buy kids a cell phone so the little effer can disrupt class, get it lost, stolen or broken? We have the luxury of sending a kid to his room to suffer the consequences for misbehaving, right?

Yep, Ipod, Blackberry, PC, XBox, cell phone, DVD player and all that stuff in the room?

Turn off all your crap and live out of a tent for a week? Cook over a bovine dung fire? Poop into a hole in the ground? How's about you women for those few days outta the month? Call in sick and lie in bed with the remote.

Then think about your 3-4 days of cramps and what are the kids going to eat, what you will cook for them, the cow crap you have to gather for a fire, water to fetch-did I forget the cows to milk? Sheep to herd? Oh please, It's just a big s-e-x party for all the people in the country formerly known as Africa. IT's just s-e-x everyday, pop out kids and have more fun.


Here's a one for you.

How many of us have ever used a wood out house and picked the splinters outta the back of your thighs for a while after? A campground crapper made out of brick and stinking to high heaven was better than THAT pain in the as----uh, thighs.

'We' will dismiss a set of people by making some silly statement about how they live and why they don't get religion/BC/education/smart about s-e-x and really never investigate why they are stuck in the situation they are in.

It's more arrogance than ignorance. Uninformed people will learn, vain people might learn, but what is more dangerous? Stupid people who act smart or smart people that act stupid?

The old saying that KNOWLEDGE IS POWER is apropo these days.

People here in the U.S. know we are getting screwed over by some people in office. Some people across the planet don't even know who is in charge-no one to blame, no one to set 'the record' right, no government, advocate, voice to speak for them.

And because we can, let's just bypass the governments that make their lives hell and blame it on the people who live there. IT's far easier, we don't have to beef with anyone and we can keep our soldiers home.

I have to laugh at all you fricking gomers out there who believe that everyone is going to be our friend now that we will have a new government seated.
Every AH will be looking toward our new benevolent 'change' in political position now.

And what a position it will be....Can you say BOHICA?

[JenBKR]

No. Lutherans are not a sect of the Catholic faith. Martin Luther broke off from the Catholic faith hundred of years ago.

Christianity once meant Catholic. No longer. Not for hundreds of years.

There are Roman Catholics, Greek Orthodox Catholics, Russian Orthodox Catholics, Lutherans, Baptist, Episcopalians, Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses and dozens and dozens of other religions under the overarching "Christians."

But they are not "sects" of The Catholic faith.

In the sociology of religion a sect is generally a smaller religious or political group that has broken off from a larger group; for example from a large, well-established religious group, like a denomination, usually due to a dispute about doctrinal matters.


There are many groups outside the Roman Catholic church which are regarded as Catholic sects, such as the Community of the Lady of All Nations, the Palmarian Catholic Church, the Philippine Independent Church, the Brazilian Catholic Apostolic Church, the Free Catholic Church, the Movement for the Restoration of the Ten Commandments of God and others

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sect



Many individual Christians and Christian denominations consider themselves "catholic" on the basis, in particular, of Apostolic Succession. They fall into four groups:

1.The Western and Eastern Churches of the Roman Catholic Church (often referred to simply as "the Catholic Church"). These understand "Catholic" to involve unity with the Bishop of Rome,[8] and hold that "the one Church of Christ ... subsists in the Catholic Church, which is governed by the successor of Peter and by the bishops in communion with him, although many elements of sanctification and of truth are found outside of its visible structure."[9]

2.Those others that, like the Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, Old Catholic, Anglican, and some Lutheran and other denominations, claim unbroken Apostolic Succession from the early Church. Some of these identify themselves as the Catholic Church (e.g. the Orthodox Churches), while others see themselves as a constituent part of the Church (e.g. the Old Catholics, Anglicans).

3.Those who claim to be spiritual descendants of the Apostles but have no discernible institutional descent from the historic Church, and normally do not refer to themselves as catholic.

4.Those who have acknowledged a break in Apostolic Succession, but have restored it in order to be in full communion with bodies that have maintained the practice. Examples in this category include the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America and the Evangelical Lutheran Church in Canada vis-à-vis their Anglican and Old Catholic counterparts.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholicism
Although the Lutheran World Federation has been in ecumenical dialogue with the Roman Catholic Church since shortly after the Second Vatican Council, it was not until 1999 that far-reaching ecumenical relations were established between the Lutheran World Federation and the Roman Catholic Church when they jointly issued a statement, the Joint Declaration on the Doctrine of Justification, that declared commonality of the Roman Catholic and Lutheran doctrines on Justification.[3]. While a number of Lutheran theologians saw this as a sign that the Roman Catholic Church was essentially adopting the Lutheran position, most Lutheran theologians disagreed, claiming that, considering the public documentation of the Catholic Church's position, this assertion does not hold up.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lutheran

And more on this page
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholi...al_Catholicity

[Marigold2]

The choice on weather or not to have children is one of our rights as humans.
A young couple in Mexico in a shanty town could sit down and say to themselves "we want more, we want a better life for our children" and work to achieve that before having a child. It starts with two people dreaming and working for something better. It has to do with personal responsiblity that we all have to take.
And yes I know about laws and sects and how a 12 year old will be sent out to make a living for her family. That is not what I am talking about.
I am talking about people who have a choice but don't act upon it.
Generations after generations not learning, no personal growth, no will to improve their lives or their childrens lives. You see this all over the world from our country as well. In America it's generation after generation living on welfare, grandmother, mother and teenage daughter all living in one home and not one has finished highschool. It's Africia and Mexico where ever people choose sex over a decent life for their kids. You can't force these people to become more responsible it has to come from within.

[JenBKR]

In any case, ES, my point was that many missionaries DO hand out condoms, but that's as far as they can go. They can't put the condoms on people, all they can do is try to educate. Sometimes it works, sometimes not.

[caseysmom]

The choice on weather or not to have children is one of our rights as humans.
A young couple in Mexico in a shanty town could sit down and say to themselves "we want more, we want a better life for our children" and work to achieve that before having a child. It starts with two people dreaming and working for something better. It has to do with personal responsiblity that we all have to take.
And yes I know about laws and sects and how a 12 year old will be sent out to make a living for her family. That is not what I am talking about.
I am talking about people who have a choice but don't act upon it.
Generations after generations not learning, no personal growth, no will to improve their lives or their childrens lives. You see this all over the world from our country as well. In America it's generation after generation living on welfare, grandmother, mother and teenage daughter all living in one home and not one has finished highschool. It's Africia and Mexico where ever people choose sex over a decent life for their kids. You can't force these people to become more responsible it has to come from within.

You can't force people to learn the english language properly either, that has to come from within.

[Edwina's Secretary]

In the sociology of religion a sect is generally a smaller religious or political group that has broken off from a larger group; for example from a large, well-established religious group, like a denomination, usually due to a dispute about doctrinal matters.

Etc. etc. etc. I am sure the Lutherans will be very surprised to learn they are a sect of the Catholic Church.

I have no horse in this race but you sure do remind me of another member who will go to the internet search well and dance a firey dance to avoid admitting he is wrong about ANYTHING.

[JenBKR]

Etc. etc. etc. I am sure the Lutherans will be very surprised to learn they are a sect of the Catholic Church.

I have no horse in this race but you sure do remind me of another member who will go to the internet search well and dance a firey dance to avoid admitting he is wrong about ANYTHING.

Oh for crying out loud. You know what, forget it. I don't have time for this. You completely avoided my main point, and it took me all of two minutes to pull that information up. The main reason I did was because I thought that maybe I was mistaken, and I wanted to read about it. However, what I found supported what I had thought, so I provide links. Unlike you, I was not condescending or rude to you at all.

[RICHARD]

I am talking about people who have a choice but don't act upon it.
Generations after generations not learning, no personal growth, no will to improve their lives or their childrens lives.

Show me where the governments of these country's has offered the population any assistance for these things. You have to have the infrastructure to allow people the 'personal growth' that you believe is so readily available.

Please, Your view of exactly what happens in a third world country is exactly what I alluded to earlier....You cannot have any idea as to what happens there unless you have traveled, spoken to people or have relatives who have endured that type of lifestyle.

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It's fun to be a young idealist.

I loved it until the world kicked me in the face while I was wearing my shades.
The cool ones-the kind that block out the stupid things on the planet.

[momoffuzzyfaces]

Sometimes religion is all the hope the people in third world countries have. They have been taught by their parents to believe certain things. Remember, they have no Internet access and may not have much contact with the world outside their communities. How can they think for themselves and know what they believe in if they have never heard there are even options?

Reminds me of a news clip I saw a few weeks ago. In one of the poor countries, they were starving to death. They grew amazing potato crops, however. They would not eat the potatoes themselves, preferring to starve to death just because they had the belief that the potatoes would make them fat. This makes no sense to me but apparently it does to them.
(I think this was on CNN but couldn't find the link)

[caseysmom]

Marigold, I am not sure why you keep bringing up mexico, have you spent much time there? Mexico does have poverty but they have a lot of good things there too, many of their priorities are a little bit better than the ones here imo.

Are you basing this on newsclip or have you spent a lot of time there?

[sparks19]

Yes, I can think of a recent example of this!

Care to put your "recent example of this" out there?

[caseysmom]

The United States has a huge teen pregnancy problem, wouldn't expect that from this country but it exists. I don't think we have any room to look down our noses at anyone.

And since it is out there, as much as I didn't agree with Sarah Palin on a lot of issues its is not her fault her daughter is pregnant nor does it mean she is a bad mother. Walk in her shoes before you cast judgement, no mother wants her kid to go through that. We nurture and teach till we are blue in the face but when it comes right down to it our kids are individuals.

[sparks19]

and sometimes... birth control fails.

[Edwina's Secretary]

And Im sure it brought you great joy.

Oh! Nice eye roll. No. I find unwed teenage mothers one of the bigger problems in this country. An unwed teenage mother runs a greater chance of living in poverty, living off welfare, raising children who are more likely to have many, many problems.

I am an advocate of adoption for the child of an unwed teenage mother. I find nothing admirable in an unwed teenage mother. I find it sad.

If I could work in any field...I would work to convince teenagers that there is more to life than getting pregnant and having your baby as your date to the prom.

[blue]

Oh! Nice eye roll. No. I find unwed teenage mothers one of the bigger problems in this country. An unwed teenage mother runs a greater chance of living in poverty, living off welfare, raising children who are more likely to have many, many problems.

I am an advocate of adoption for the child of an unwed teenage mother. I find nothing admirable in an unwed teenage mother. I find it sad.

If I could work in any field...I would work to convince teenagers that there is more to life than getting pregnant and having your baby as your date to the prom.

Glad you liked the , Im sure many people enjoyed your .

There where many Obama supporters who were absolutely giddy when the story of Bristol Palin's pregnancy broke. More then a few of them hoped Bristol would break from her families values and have an abortion.