Why did you vote for Obama or not...?

**Lady's Human** · 11-10-2008, 04:52 PM

There's a difference between stating something as opinion and stating something as percieved fact.

The prior statement was mainly in reference to the topic the thread was previously drifting to. There is no such thing as a polite discussion on that particular topic, as tempers tend to flare when the discussion drifts in that direction.

**lizbud** · 11-10-2008, 06:27 PM

Originally Posted by Lady's Human

There's a difference between stating something as opinion and stating something as percieved fact.

Facts, as we percieve them, create opinions.

**Edwina's Secretary** · 11-10-2008, 10:47 PM

Originally Posted by lizbud

Facts, as we percieve them, create opinions.

Nicely put, Liz. Especially as I was struggling over "perceived facts." I thought a fact to be a fact and a perception to be a perception.

"Perceived Fact" sounds like some kind of double speak to me.

**carole** · 11-11-2008, 03:48 PM

Thank you Catland, i value your comments.

Just something i wish to ask, Do any of you honestly think there are any americans and NZers for that matter, who live as a third world country, no sanitation,no water, no food, no home,no electricity, no future, i mean yes there are NZers here who are homeless and who i would consider live on the poverty line, but i still cannot compare them to a third world country, IMO they are still far better off than those poor souls.,anyhow that is just my opinion for what it is worth, we are the blessed i think.,and yes slightly off topic here, but then i am responding to anothers post in this thread.

**momoffuzzyfaces** · 11-11-2008, 04:11 PM

We have thousands of homeless people who have no shelter and no idea where their next meal is coming from who live in unsafe and unsanitary conditions every second. More are becoming homeless every day. Seems to me, we are on the verge of becoming a third world country.

What is the number who have to live in those conditions before we qualify?

**carole** · 11-11-2008, 04:23 PM

In answer to your question, well i really don't know, sure it exists, but there is so much wealth in both our countries too,in most third world countries they are just surrounded by poverty, it is everywhere,I guess i just don't see it as being quite the same,or to the same extent, i sure hope it does not become so..

**momoffuzzyfaces** · 11-11-2008, 04:49 PM

Maybe I'm wrong about this, but doesn't wealth exist in third world countries too? It just belongs to a few in power though?

**lizbud** · 11-11-2008, 04:55 PM

Originally Posted by carole

In answer to your question, well i really don't know, sure it exists, but there is so much wealth in both our countries too,in most third world countries they are just surrounded by poverty, it is everywhere,I guess i just don't see it as being quite the same,or to the same extent, i sure hope it does not become so..

Homeless people have become the "invisable people" in my city. I see
news reports, complete with film clips, around the holidays reporting on
their dire circumstances. They say there are whole familes who live under
bridges & highway ramps.

I do think national averages are underrated.