Firearms. Yea or Nay?

[JenBKR]

Aww Richard, ya know we love ya (Just think of what we'd call you if we DIDN'T like you )

[RICHARD]

Aww Richard, ya know we love ya (Just think of what we'd call you if we DIDN'T like you )

You'd call collect?

[blue]

NOT in front of......


Ohhhhhhhh!

For a second I thought you where learning to white post.

Did a quick search and found this.

About three-fourths of the victims who used firearms for
self-defense did so during a crime of violence, 1987-92

Average annual number of victimizations
in which victims used firearms to defend
themselves or their property
________________________________________
Attacked Threatened
Total offender offender
________________________________________
All crimes 82,500 30,600 51,900
Total violent crime 62,200 25,500 36,700

With injury 12,100 7,300 4,900
Without injury 50,000 18,200 31,800

Theft, burglary,
motor vehicle theft 20,300 5,100 15,200

Note: Detail may not add to total because of rounding. Includes
victimizations in which offenders were unarmed. Excludes
homicides.

Ild try and find something more current but my streak of horrible days is continuing.

[blue]

Some information for the anti firearm crowd, Link. Dont be afraid of information and click the link and do some reading.

15 myths about firearms.

Firearms are used to commit as many as 650,000 crimes each year. But firearms are also used to prevent crimes as many as one million times each year. In fact, criminals are three times more likely to be killed by armed victims who resist them than by the police. Would tougher gun control laws make our lives safer? Fair appraisal of the issue requires us to put aside some common myths.
Myth No. 1: Guns cause crime. A careful review of 18 academic studies shows that there is no relationship between the number of guns and the amount of crime in the United States. International evidence tells a similar story.
Myth No. 2: Gun control laws reduce crime. The nation already has 20,000 gun control laws, and the police arrest 220,000 people a year on weapons violations. Yet the violent crime rate is at an all-time high. Moreover, considering that fewer than 1 percent of all guns are involved in a crime and only 12 percent of all violent crimes involve a gun, gun control laws could have only a modest effect on crime - even if they worked exactly as intended, which they don't. For example, New Jersey, Hawaii and Washington, D.C., experienced sharp murder-rate increases after passing tough gun control laws. Canada, Taiwan and Jamaica reported similar experiences.
Myth No. 3: Guns are of little help in defending against criminals. In fact, guns are a big help. Each year, potential victims kill from 2,000 to 3,000 criminals and wound an additional 9,000 to 17,000. And mishaps are rare. Private citizens mistakenly kill innocent people only 30 times a year, compared with about 330 mistaken killings by police. Criminals succeed in taking a gun away from an armed victim less than 1 percent of the time.
Myth No. 4: Killing someone is the only reason to buy a handgun. The vast majority of gun owners cite protection from crime as one of the main reasons they own a gun. And for good reason. Americans use guns for self-protection about one million times a year. In 98 percent of the cases, they simply brandish the weapon or fire a warning shot.
Myth No. 5: People who buy guns are more prone to violence and crime than are other people. Violence and crime are higher among black than white, lower-income than middle- or upper-income, young than middle-aged, single than married, and urban than rural individuals - all contrary to the pattern of gun ownership.
Myth No. 6: Criminals mainly have guns in order to commit crimes. The number one reason criminals acquire guns is for self-protection against other criminals. Fewer than half of felons think handguns are important for use in committing crimes.
Myth No. 7: Killings and other violent crimes were prevalent in the Old West because guns were so plentiful. Much of the violence on the frontier involved clashes with Indians, bandits and foreigners. Even so, the frontier was a lot safer than America is today. There was very little ordinary crime - less than in most cities in the East.
Myth No. 8: Gun controls keep criminals from obtaining guns. In surveys of prisoners, a majority said that prior to imprisonment they had owned a handgun. But fewer than one in six guns had been purchased from a retail dealer. Three-fourths of the felons said they would have no trouble obtaining a gun when they were released, despite legal prohibitions.
Myth No. 9: Required waiting periods would prevent some of the most vicious crimes. If the Brady bill were law, it would not have saved Jim Brady. Nor would it have prevented the Killeen, Texas, massacre or the slaughter at McDonald's in Stockton, Calif. However, an instant records check (to identify felons when they try to purchase guns from retail dealers) and better enforcement of existing laws (to turn criminals into convicted felons) might well prevent some vicious crimes.
Myth No. 10: Most murders are committed by people killing friends or family members. The actual number is about one out of five. Most in-household killings are not crimes of passion. They're the culmination of years of abusive behavior, and often it is the abuser who is killed.
Myth No. 11: The availability of guns contributes to crimes of passion. In about 90 percent of "crime-of-passion" domestic homicides, the police had been called in previously to break up violence. In half the cases, the police had been called in five or more times. There is no evidence that a significant number of homicides occur simply because a lethal weapon is handy.
Myth No. 12: Automatic rifles and so-called assault weapons are too dangerous to be left in private hands. Over the past 50 years no civilian has ever used a legally owned machine gun in a violent crime. And despite their repeated use by drug dealers on "Miami Vice" and in the movies, no Uzi has ever been used to kill a police officer. Even gun control advocates concede that so-called assault weapons play a minor role in violent crime.
Myth No. 13: Gun control laws are especially needed to prevent the purchase of "Saturday Night Specials." Inexpensive handguns are involved in only 1 to 3 percent of violent crimes, and criminals are no more likely to use one than any other type of handgun.
Myth No. 14: People don't need guns for self-protection because they can rely on the police. About 83 percent of the population will be victims of violent crime at some point in their lives, and in any given year serious crime touches 25 percent of all households. Considering that, effectively, there is only one police officer on patrol for every 3,300 people, the odds are not likely to improve. And the courts have ruled that government has no duty to protect individual citizens from crime.
Myth No. 15: Gun ownership is not a constitutional right. The Second Amendment reflects the founders' belief that an armed citizenry (called the "general militia") was a necessary precaution against tyranny by our own government and its army. The idea that government has a constitutional right to disarm the general citizenry is totally foreign to the intent of the Constitution's framers.

[sparks19]

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/new...6?OpenDocument

Cops: Cape Girardeau woman kills man who returned to rape her second time

Ronnie Preyer.
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Photo from Cape Girardeau County Sheriff's Department. (=)By Heather Ratcliffe
ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH
10/31/2008

An intended rape victim shot and killed her attacker this morning in Cape Girardeau when he broke into her home to rape her a second time, police said.

The 57-year-old woman shot Ronnie W. Preyer, 47, a registered sex offender, in the chest with a shotgun when he broke through her locked basement door.
The woman told police he was the same man who raped her several days earlier. Officials do not intend to seek charges against her.

In the first incident, the woman heard glass breaking in her basement about midnight on Saturday. She went to leave the house, and the man attacked when she opened the front door. He punched her in the face and then forced her into a bedroom, where he raped her, said H. Morley Swingle, prosecuting attorney in Cape Girardeau County.

The victim reported the crime to police, and her landlord repaired the broken window.

She was home alone again Friday about 2:15 a.m. when Preyer broke the same basement window. The victim was awake watching television, when Preyer switched off the electricity to her house.

She tried to call 911, but couldn't because the power was off. She got a shotgun and waited as the man began banging on the basement door. She fired when Preyer came crashing through the door. When Preyer collapsed, the woman escaped and went to a neighbor's home, where she called police. Officers, who arrived within a minute, found a bleeding Preyer stumbling away from the house. He was taken to St. Francis Medical Center, where he died several hours later.

Swingle said the victim identified Preyer as the attacker in both incidents. Preyer, of Jackson, Mo., had wet caulking from the recently repaired basement window on his clothing when he was shot.

"I will not be filing any sort of charge against this 57-year-old woman, who was clearly justified under the law in shooting this intruder in her home," Swingle said.

[blue]

One of the proper uses of firearms, self protection. Im glad the local PD feel the same way.

[sparks19]

One of the proper uses of firearms, self protection. Im glad the local PD feel the same way.

Me too. But interesting that no one else has responded.

Honestly I was waiting for someone to say that she shouldn't have killed him, that she should have called the police or something.

GOOD FOR HER. this is why the right to bare arms is important... the right to PROTECT YOURSELF AND YOUR FAMILY. but some people fail to see that point because OTHERS die at the hands of criminals who don't care about gun control and laws.

But even if it means I will go to jail... I WILL protect my daughters life from the scum of the earth. I will do WHATEVER it takes. I may succeed... I may fail... but I will do my very best to ensure her safety. Are you going to take that away from me? If someone starts a thread saying that a predator came into their home and murdered their child because they couldn't defend themselves and the police didn't get there in time... will there be a thread full of OUTRAGE?

[Edwina's Secretary]

Are you serious Sparky? You expect as much response to a criminal being shot as to a child being shot?

Oooookay.

[Lady's Human]

Absolutely, ES, where's the righteous indignation about guns?

After all, a life is a life, right?

[RICHARD]

Comments from Bobby Knight, former college coach in men's basketball.

1988 — In an NBC interview with Connie Chung, who asked how he handles stress, Knight says: "I think that if rape is inevitable, relax and enjoy it." He explains he was talking about something beyond one's control, not the act of rape..

Or, you can pull out a gun and shoot the jerk. I think that shooting the moron saved me some tax dollars. I like it when the public gets involved with the fiscal matters of government.

[shais_mom]

i'm on the bandwagon that guns don't kill people - PEOPLE pull the trigger- and kill people. I don't own a gun tho.

[RICHARD]

i'm on the bandwagon that guns don't kill people - PEOPLE pull the trigger- and kill people. I don't own a gun tho.

Doll,

Unless you smack the shiat outta someone with a gun.........Bullets do the killing!

[shais_mom]

but unless the trigger is pulled that bullet isn't going to kill anyone
altho notice I didn't say a PERSON pulling the trigger this time b/c even a monkey can pull a trigger.
and no that isn't a racial remark

[RICHARD]

but unless the trigger is pulled that bullet isn't going to kill anyone
altho notice I didn't say a PERSON pulling the trigger this time b/c even a monkey can pull a trigger.
and no that isn't a racial remark

DAMN YOU!
Always with the logical answer.

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And we haven't had our yearly story about the hunter who gets shot by the dog???? Yet?!

[shais_mom]

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/new...6?OpenDocument

I'll say
"well done". I'd have done the same thing if I were in her position.