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  1. It is an age old tradition...if you don't like the facts...disparage the fact giver! (aka...shot the messenger!)

    and of course there is the question...
    What % of ads are negative vs. positive is hardly an objective statistic.
    Why not????? And if not THAT...then what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edwina's Secretary View Post
    It is an age old tradition...if you don't like the facts...disparage the fact giver! (aka...shot the messenger!)


    I think you meant shoot.

    I have a HUGE SIG!!!!



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    Very simply, whether the message is percieved as positive or negative largely depends on the audience.

    Three parts to a message.....and the transmitter and the reciever are almost more important than the message itself when it comes to whether the message is recieved in a positive or negative manner.
    The one eyed man in the kingdom of the blind wasn't king, he was stoned for seeing light.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue View Post
    I think you meant shoot.
    I gently suggest you check some of your own spelling before criticizing others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grace View Post
    I gently suggest you check some of your own spelling before criticizing others.
    At least I tried to bring some funny with my critisism, instead of just talking down to others. Im sure you made fun of dyslexics in college, if not in high school as well.

    ETA: I do understand making fun of dyslexics has become a national pasttime in the last 8 yerars that Shrub has been in office.
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    I have a HUGE SIG!!!!



    My Dogs. Erp the Cat.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thomas Jefferson
    Tyranny is defined as that which is legal for the government but illegal for the citizenry.

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    I don't think people would purposely make fun of someone with a learning disability, or a handicap. Well, adults, I should say. Kids can be mean, and are known to be bullies and antagonize those weaker than they are. Well, some adults do as well, but they just need their butts kicked.

    I can make fun of my own problems, lol, and be self-deprecating, but that's not like making fun of someone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue View Post
    At least I tried to bring some funny with my critisism, instead of just talking down to others. Im sure you made fun of dyslexics in college, if not in high school as well.

    ETA: I do understand making fun of dyslexics has become a national pasttime in the last 8 yerars that Shrub has been in office.
    Once again, you are totally off base.

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    I won't argue that McCain's ads are very "negative". But WHY do they need to go 'negative'?

    Could it be that the 'regular' media won't talk about Obama's negative aspects? Could it be that the media does Obama's dirty work for him?

    I wonder what the result would be if we did a comparison of negative media stories about Obama as opposed to McCain.

    Or to put it another way most of you here want to argue style over substance.


    Do the right thing.... Don't vote for either one of these guys. Send a REAL message to DC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Puckstop31 View Post
    I won't argue that McCain's ads are very "negative". But WHY do they need to go 'negative'?

    Could it be that the 'regular' media won't talk about Obama's negative aspects? Could it be that the media does Obama's dirty work for him?

    Why do they need to go negative - I've been asking myself the same question. Are they afraid to stick to the issues, the economic mess? Whatever the reason, they are turning off many voters - and making themselves look foolish in the bargain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grace View Post
    Why do they need to go negative - I've been asking myself the same question. Are they afraid to stick to the issues, the economic mess? Whatever the reason, they are turning off many voters - and making themselves look foolish in the bargain.

    Would it matter to you? If McCain went positive and only talked about the issues, could it change your mind?

    But don't worry Grace. Unless BO makes a massive, earth shattering blunder, he is going to win. I just pray that my fear of just how massive Big Brother gets under him is wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Puckstop31 View Post
    \ But don't worry Grace. Unless BO makes a massive, earth shattering blunder, he is going to win. I just pray that my fear of just how massive Big Brother gets under him is wrong.
    I think you are right, I think he is going to win. I might get flamed for this, which is why I haven't mentioned it before but I am scared of him winning. I don't want to be socialized. I admit that I think something needs done with the health care system, but I also like actually being able to get in to see a doctor. Also, DH and I work for small companies, and if I am not mistaken Obama will be putting large taxes on small companies. We're headed to a recession no matter who get in. It's a scary time, indeed.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Puckstop31 View Post
    Would it matter to you? If McCain went positive and only talked about the issues, could it change your mind?
    Would it change my mind about voting for him - no. Then again, I wasn't going to vote for him before he went negative. But it would change my mind about the man, John McCain. I once thought of him in a very positive way; now he makes me cringe.

    What about you? Or do you enjoy all the negativity?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grace View Post
    Would it change my mind about voting for him - no. Then again, I wasn't going to vote for him before he went negative. But it would change my mind about the man, John McCain. I once thought of him in a very positive way; now he makes me cringe.

    What about you? Or do you enjoy all the negativity?
    No, it would not change my vote. Negative, Positive, whatever... I cannot pull the lever for either one of them.

    But my opinion/point about McCain going negative because he has too, to get the truth about Obama out, stands. If you do not think the media has a bias for anything left, you are just not paying attention.

    For instance...

    http://apnews.myway.com/article/20081011/D93O5M100.html

    Something negative happens for the dems. The writer of this article goes out of their way to say, repeatedly, that Obama had nothing to do with this.

    BULLCRAP



    BO is connected to Tony Rezko. Rezko is a slumlord and a substantial contributor to BO's campaign. Rezko also just happens to be in jail for extortion. And now singing because he wants out of jail....

    Tony's wife, Rita Rezko. Rita is connected to BO's home in Chi-town. Not long after BO won his Senate seat, he bought a nice house in Kenwood, which is a upscale Chi-town neighborhood. BO paid les than asking price, but only after Rita bought an adjacent property, from the SAME SELLER. This is the "bone headed" deal BO talks about. RIGHTTTTTT. Bone headed because you got caught.

    I wonder why you never hear about stuff like this?

    Barack Obama is NO different that any other scumbag politician we are ever offered.

    In the end, we will get the government we deserve... Because we ALL have become lazy and lost our way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JenBKR View Post
    if I am not mistaken Obama will be putting large taxes on small companies.
    Not directly... He will heavily tax your suppliers.

    He is your friend, until you make $250,000. Then you are the devil incarnate. He clearly does not like the American Dream.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Puckstop31 View Post
    Not directly... He will heavily tax your suppliers.
    Which will in turn drive up costs for the businesses, making it much more expensive to operate, causing layoffs at both of our companies. Oh, goody...

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