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    For the consideration of the anti gunners.

    Quote Originally Posted by Walter E Williams
    A MINORITY VIEW

    BY WALTER E. WILLIAMS

    RELEASE: WEDNESDAY, MAY 21, 2008, AND THEREAFTER



    Control Criminals Not Guns



    Every time there's a highly publicized shooting, out go the cries for stricter gun control laws, and it was no different with the recent murder of Philadelphia Police Sgt. Stephen Liczbinski. Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell and Philadelphia Mayor Michael Nutter, in a letter to the state congressional delegation demanding reenactment of the federal assault weapon ban, said, "Passing this legislation will go a long way to protecting those who put their lives on the line every day for us. É There is no excuse to do otherwise."



    Gun control laws will not protect us from murderers. We need protection from the criminal justice system politicians have created. Let's look at it.



    According to former Philly cop Michael P. Tremoglie's article "Who freed the cop-killers?" for the Philadelphia Daily News (5/8/08), all three murder suspects had extensive criminal records. Levon Warner was sentenced in 1997 to seven and a half to 15 years for robbery, one to five years for possessing an instrument of crime and five to 10 for criminal conspiracy. Howard Cain was convicted in 1996 on four counts of robbery and sentenced to five to 10 years on each count. Eric Floyd was sentenced to five to 10 years in 1995 for robbery, rearrested in 1999 for parole violation and later convicted in 2001 for two robberies. If these criminals had not been released from prison, long before they served out their sentences, officer Liczbinski would be alive today. So what's responsible for his death: guns or a prison and parole system that released these three criminals? Tremoglie cites other examples of criminals, with convictions for violent crimes ranging from robbery and assault to murder, who were paroled and later murdered police officers.



    A New York Times study (4/28/06) of the city's 1,662 murders in 2003-2005 found that 90 percent of the murderers had criminal records. A Massachusetts study reported that on average, homicide offenders had been arraigned for nine prior offenses. John Lott's book, "More Guns, Less Crime," reports that in 1988 in the 75 largest counties in the U.S., over 89 percent of adult murderers had a criminal record as an adult.



    A few days after the murder of Liczbinski, Governor Rendell told a news conference, attended by state elected officials and top law enforcement officials, "The time has come for politicians to decide. You have to decide whether you're on their side -- the men and women who wear blue -- or whether you're on the side of the gun lobby." Instead of saying "whether you're on the side of the gun lobby," Rendell should have said "whether you're on the side of the criminal and the courts, prosecutors, prisons and parole boards that cut soft deals with criminals and release them to prey upon police officers and law-abiding citizens."



    If there is one clear basic function of government, it's to protect citizens from criminals. When government failure becomes so apparent, as it is in the murder of a police officer, officials seek scapegoats and very often it's the National Rifle Association and others who seek to protect our Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms. We hear calls for stricter gun control laws when what is really needed is more control over criminals.



    There are many third-party liability laws. I think they ought to be applied to members of parole boards who release criminals who turn around and commit violent crimes. As it stands now, people on parole boards who release criminals bear no cost of their decisions. I bet that if members of parole boards were held liable or forced to serve the balance of the sentence of a parolee who goes out and commits more crime, they would pay more attention to the welfare of the community rather than the welfare of a criminal. You say, "Williams, under those conditions, who'd serve on a parole board?" There's something to be said about that.



    Walter E. Williams is a professor of economics at George Mason University.
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    Here's a true gun nut & a dangerous man.

    http://www.theindychannel.com/slides...88/detail.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reggie View Post
    I say yes to guns, one county in my state has a law that states that you must own a gun within your household or pay a fine. The crime rate has dropped dramatically there. I say the only use for guns is self defense, you really shouldnt use them for anything else.
    What?? Am I reading this right? You are saying that there is a county that has a law that if you do not have a gun in the house you have to pay a fine? I'm sorry, but I think you have that wrong. They can't make a law like that.....

    Quote Originally Posted by lizbud View Post
    Here's a true gun nut & a dangerous man.

    http://www.theindychannel.com/slides...88/detail.html
    Wow...really scary. Imagine how the neighbors must feel knowing that they were living so close to all of that...

    I am conflicted on the subject of guns. I don't like them personally, but I don't have a problem with hunting. My husband hunts and has guns in the house, but they are kept in a locked cabinet, unloaded. We don't even keep the bullets in the house. Guns just make me nervous...but I think that if they were outlawed at this point, criminals would be the only ones to have them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JenBKR View Post
    What?? Am I reading this right? You are saying that there is a county that has a law that if you do not have a gun in the house you have to pay a fine? I'm sorry, but I think you have that wrong. They can't make a law like that.....
    It may sounds crazy... But if something is 'stupid', but works, then it is not stupid.

    http://www.rense.com/general9/gunlaw.htm

    Granted, I do not see this working in the "big city", but out in flyover country, it works just fine.


    Guns just make me nervous...but I think that if they were outlawed at this point, criminals would be the only ones to have them.
    The only way to conquer a fear is to face it. Perhaps have your hubby take you to a range one day? Guns do not load, aim or fire all by themselves. Properly handled, they are no more dangerous than any other tool. (Except of course to the intended target, but that is another discussion.)
    "Unlike most of you, I am not a nut."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Puckstop31 View Post
    The only way to conquer a fear is to face it. Perhaps have your hubby take you to a range one day? Guns do not load, aim or fire all by themselves. Properly handled, they are no more dangerous than any other tool. (Except of course to the intended target, but that is another discussion.)
    I did try to shoot a gun once on a range, quite a few years ago. I shot it once and about shot my foot off I said right then and there, never again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JenBKR View Post
    What?? Am I reading this right? You are saying that there is a county that has a law that if you do not have a gun in the house you have to pay a fine? I'm sorry, but I think you have that wrong. They can't make a law like that.....
    Sadly it is true...

    And if a county passed a law saying everyone who lives in that county must smoke cigarettes or pay a fine? Cigarettes are legal and serve the same purpose as guns -- killing.

    Everyone would be in an uproar. But gun owners have a very, very powerful lobbying group.

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    I'm sorry, but I would not live in a county that had a law that people had to have a gun. I am absolutely astonished that that could even happen. I live in a small hick town, and I would move in a second if they tried to pass something like that.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by lizbud View Post
    Here's a true gun nut & a dangerous man.

    http://www.theindychannel.com/slides...88/detail.html

    Good. But, whay are you so quick to judge? Hopefully he is still innocent until proven guilty.

    If he ends up being convicted (he probably will, the mortar is almost certainly not legal), a good example of criminal control.
    "Unlike most of you, I am not a nut."

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    "If the enemy opens the door, you must race in."

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