Dog Breeds -- Then and Now

[lute]

What a cool thread! I had no idea Collies were so fluffy over seas! I thought ours had a lot of coat. Thanks for sharing!

[Ginger's Mom]

Very interesting thread.

[Suki Wingy]

I need to scan some early pictures from my Dal book, but here are some more notable ones. I personally think this breed has improved a lot since the early 20th century. I think some of the best dogs, judging from photographs, came from the mid 20th century.

I'll update later with better pictures, of dogs I like and don't like. For now, here are some random ones.

Ch. Tally Ho Last of Sunstar (BOB Nat'l Specialty 1931)


Ch. Tally Ho Sirius (BOB Nat'l Specialty 1939)


CH Korcula Midnight Star
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Ch. Merry Go Round Mach Ten (Top winner from a few years ago)


Ch. TCJ Satins Star Appeal (Top winning dal of today, I like him and I've seen him show a few times)


Ch. Panore of Watseka (b. 1969)


Ch. Fireman's Freckled Friend (Don't like him as much)


Ch. Lord Jim (very winning and a popular stud choice of the time. I think he looks way too hound like, which is more apparent in other photos I've seen of him)
http://www.jlsdals.com/LordJim.html

[BC_MoM]

Who knew Basset Hounds used to actually be cute and were not cursed with all that saggy skin?

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Pugs used to be cute, too! I can't find any photos, but they used to have faces.

[caseysmom]

Who knew Basset Hounds used to actually be cute and were not cursed with all that saggy skin?

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Pugs used to be cute, too! I can't find any photos, but they used to have faces.

All dogs are cute imho, even pugs and bassets.

[BC_MoM]

They aren't cute when the way they are bred today causes them to have serious health issues.

[Spiritwind]

I need to scan some early pictures from my Dal book, but here are some more notable ones. I personally think this breed has improved a lot since the early 20th century. I think some of the best dogs, judging from photographs, came from the mid 20th century.

Very interesting bout the Dals! I do not know anything about the breed, but just based on pictures it seems they haven't changed to much over the years...

Will be interested to see the other pictures you post later...

[Spiritwind]

What a cool thread! I had no idea Collies were so fluffy over seas! I thought ours had a lot of coat. Thanks for sharing!

Yep.. I am on a couple Collie breeder forums, much like this place, but they are both based in Europe, so very few people on the forum are from North America.

But the "lack" of coat the american collies have compared to the European collies, is one of the biggest complaints the european breeders have with our dogs... they don't think they have enough coat. I personally could not deal with the coat on a european collie...

Also, another thing pretty much north america is the only place that breeds roughs and smooths together anymore... they used to allow it in europe up until I think the 80's?? then it was changed and they split them off as 2 seperate breeds... so the people on that forum were rather concerned when I posted pics of rough and smooth puppies from the same litter LOL they didn't understand why I would do such a thing LOL

I'll try to find a picture of a European smooth.. they look MUCH more like American smooths.... heads might be slightly different but the size and body structure is very similar smooths over here.. they tend to have pretty solid bodies... completely different from their roughs, even though the standards are the same, except for coat...

[lute]

Yep.. I am on a couple Collie breeder forums, much like this place, but they are both based in Europe, so very few people on the forum are from North America.

But the "lack" of coat the american collies have compared to the European collies, is one of the biggest complaints the european breeders have with our dogs... they don't think they have enough coat. I personally could not deal with the coat on a european collie...

Also, another thing pretty much north america is the only place that breeds roughs and smooths together anymore... they used to allow it in europe up until I think the 80's?? then it was changed and they split them off as 2 seperate breeds... so the people on that forum were rather concerned when I posted pics of rough and smooth puppies from the same litter LOL they didn't understand why I would do such a thing LOL

I'll try to find a picture of a European smooth.. they look MUCH more like American smooths.... heads might be slightly different but the size and body structure is very similar smooths over here.. they tend to have pretty solid bodies... completely different from their roughs, even though the standards are the same, except for coat...

Why did they rule out breeding smooths and roughs together? Did it cause less coat? That would explain our less coated collies in North America.


One breed I have found that has really changed over the years is the German Shepherd Dog. I think it is sickening and wrong the way they bred their rears the way they do now.





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[Spiritwind]

Why did they rule out breeding smooths and roughs together? Did it cause less coat? That would explain our less coated collies in North America.


One breed I have found that has really changed over the years is the German Shepherd Dog. I think it is sickening and wrong the way they bred their rears the way they do now.

I honestly have no idea why the split roughs and smooths up into 2 seperate breeds. Its really very odd in my opinion, especially since the 2 standards are the same, except for coat and the european smooths are nothing close to a short haired version of a european rough these days.

Most people really don't feel breeding roughs to smooths affects the coat. There are certain bloodlines in american collies that for atleast the last 50 yrs have only bred roughs (Tartanside collies come to mind).. pure tartanside lines are all roughs and they still don't carry the coat the european dogs do.

Now there are some families in certain American lines that breeders call "Fluffies" and they are typically (thought not always) collies with big, fluffy, soft coats.. which is very incorrect, but still not the same amount of coat the collies over seas have. A rough collie should not have a soft coat!... the european roughs coat is very incorrect... its very soft, open, and fluffy.. it does not keep water off their bodies, instead the soft coat just soaks water up...

I totally agree with you on the GSD! I hate to see the GSD at shows try to walk... I think its very wrong!..

[BC_MoM]

I agree with you, Lute, about the GSD. I really didn't notice how horrible it was until I saw Pedigree Dogs Exposed. Now every time I see a GSD like that, I want to be sick.

[lute]

I agree with you, Lute, about the GSD. I really didn't notice how horrible it was until I saw Pedigree Dogs Exposed. Now every time I see a GSD like that, I want to be sick.

What is this Pedigree Dogs Exposed??? I looked it up and found some on it. I can't seem to find the video though.

[cassiesmom]

Spiritwind, what an interesting thread you started! I went through it quickly but I will come back and read it carefully. I didn't know about the long history of breeding collies or that they have different looks in Europe.

I agree with the point that Lute made about the GSD. My mom and I were watching a dog show on the Animal Planet and when the GSD came on, we said to each other "What is wrong with that dog's hips?" We guessed (obviously wrong) that the dog couldn't straighten up.

[Giselle]

What is this Pedigree Dogs Exposed??? I looked it up and found some on it. I can't seem to find the video though.

Original thread with before and after pics of various dog breeds:
http://petoftheday.com/talk/showthread.php?t=145435

[shepgirl]

I agree with you, Lute, about the GSD. I really didn't notice how horrible it was until I saw Pedigree Dogs Exposed. Now every time I see a GSD like that, I want to be sick.

I agree with both of you about the GSD. Being a GSD owner I never buy from show stock for this reason. All my dogs are east German, sometimes west German lines. These rears on the ground make me sick also. Everybody seems to be out to see if they can get the most angulated dog. I blame the judges for even looking at these dogs, let alone give them best in show.
We now have people breeding clownish pandas to make matters worse, or whites, which go totally against the standard. At least they are not recognized in the ring so they might fade away soon.