Thanks for that Lori, i really feel you understand where i am coming from on this one, i may well try that food you suggested,trouble with Ash one day he will love a new food, the next day or even that afternoon he turns his nose up at it,i have so many opened tins and biscuits, it is lucky i have two other kitties who can eat it,although one is getting a tad fatter than she should be, eh ellie-Mae? lol.