Unitarian church shootings

[Cataholic]

As a side note, I would like to thank you for keeping this civil. Most of the time when I debate this topic, it gets ugly and I get called names. LOL

The only name I can think to call you is "Annie" as in "Annie get your gun".

[smokey the elder]

I am really tempted to deep-six this thread...mainly because it is starting an internet WWIII among people I think of as friends.

[Cataholic]

I am really tempted to deep-six this thread...mainly because it is starting an internet WWIII among people I think of as friends.

Do you know the origin of that phrase?

[Grace]

I am really tempted to deep-six this thread...mainly because it is starting an internet WWIII among people I think of as friends.

Interesting - I don't get that impression at all. I think it's quite civil - so far.

[sparks19]

The only name I can think to call you is "Annie" as in "Annie get your gun".

OMG lmao

sorry I know my post has no point but I really had to chuckle at that.

When he walks through the door tonight I think that is going to be the first phrase to come to mind. lol

[RICHARD]

EXCEPT FOR TRACERS WHICH ARE NORMALLY MILITARY USE ONLY.

I think you need to apologize-You are incorrect.

There is a light blue Mercury Tracer parked in the driveway at this moment. It was driven privately for years.

[sparks19]

I think you need to apologize-You are incorrect.

There is a light blue Mercury Tracer parked in the driveway at this moment. It was driven privately for years.

LOL you're so special Richard

[Randi]

It is about EVERY human's right to defend themSELVES from tryanny no matter what form it takes. Should this right be removed, we are no longer truly free.

I pray daily that I will never need to use my firearms to protect myself and/or my family. Or worse, protect myself from tyranny of government. But if necessary I can and I WILL.

It’s frightening to read your views, Puckstop, and I hope not too many USA citizens feel that way. Where is your limit? What would it take for you to use your gun? Someone threatening you/your family with a gun? A knife? Nasty words? Can you picture it... everyone walking around defending themself from all the others with guns - what a world!! You'd soon get rid of each other.

....because criminals by definition do not follow the law.

So much more reason not to let everyone have a gun!

Haven't anyone learned from what happened the last few years?

Many, if not most, of us require a car. That same thing can't be said of carrying a gun.

Right on!!

[RICHARD]

It’s frightening to read your views, Puckstop, and I hope not too many USA citizens feel that way. Where is your limit? What would it take for you to use your gun? Someone else threatening you/your family with a gun? A knife? Words? Can you picture it... everyone walking around defending themself from the others with guns - what a world!!

I have to take this into a different direction. This past Tuesday there was an earthquake here in California. As our governor said, "we dodged a bullet" -
They say that the BIG EARTHQUAKE will happen within the next 30 years.
Should that come to pass, most of the people here will be left on their own.

During the L.A. riots there were many Korean shop keepers who defended their stores/properties from the throngs of looters and rioters. The police, in most cases, stood by and watched. Why? They had to contain the rioting and provide security for the firefighters.

When the Big EQ hits here many people will by looking for a free things. I can imagine that the criminals will be out and about looking for things to steal from stores and citizens.

I have my supplies that might keep me alive- I think I may be inclined to protect my interests in a situation like that. That is a sad statement when you think about it. I may have to resort to using force to stay alive.

Just a reminder of the world we live in.

[Puckstop31]

It’s frightening to read your views, Puckstop, and I hope not too many USA citizens feel that way. Where is your limit? What would it take for you to use your gun? Someone threatening you/your family with a gun? A knife? Nasty words? Can you picture it... everyone walking around defending themself from all the others with guns - what a world!! You'd soon get rid of each other.

This arguement is made, each and every time a state passes law allow Concealed Carry. And each and every time it is debunked. Why? Because law abiding, gun owning Americans are not the people the rest of the world THINKS we are. (Or should I say TOLD we are by the media?)

Indeed I can imagine a world where everybody has the ability to defend themselves. What a civil and polite world it would be.

As for what it would take for me to use a weapon in self defence... Well, here in my state the law is black and white. I need to feel my life is in danger. Of course that fear would probably need to stand up in court. In my home, as long as the intruder is not a immediate threat (i.e pointing a weapon at me) he gets a warning. If he does not retreat, which would be his CHOICE, I will make my choice...

So much more reason not to let everyone have a gun!

Haven't anyone learned from what happened the last few years?

EVERYone can't get a gun. There is a background check required. The Virgina Tech case is an example of a flaw in the background check system. Further, that case is an example of how perhaps if a single law abiding gun owner had been allowed to have his weapon on campus, a tragedy could have been avoided or mitigated.

"Gun free zones...." HA! Why do you think the most crime occurs in these places? Criminals prefer unarmed victims.



Granted, there is obviously a great deal of difference between your culture and mine. Which is super. Really. You live in yours and I will live in mine.

[Edwina's Secretary]

In SoCal a police officer - who I assume was trained in firearm safety - did something rather unsafe. His three year old son in the back seat of his pickup grabbed his service revolver and shot dad in the back. Dad is paralyzed and is -- of course -- suing all sorts of people, inlcuding a client of mine. This will probably be the last straw for my client and they will go out of business. Being trained in firearm safety does not guarantee anything. But then someone will have to pay for the son's therapy.

If the intent of the Founding Fathers is considered infallible, wouldn't that mean the slavery of black people, the disenfranchisement of women, just to name a few of the changes of the last 200 years?

The Constitution is a living document -- or at least so I hope!