Pit bulls??

[DrKym]

This is in response to Jadapit (my second fave pittie owner) My daughter has been lurking and she asks 2 things from me. 1 to tell you that she is sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo glad to see another responsible pittie owner and 2) to re iterate that we bred them to fight dogs, our job is to OH WAIT YOUSAID IT keep them from having an opportunity to react badly. Most pitties raised properly (according to Jesse) do not have an aggressive response, she has however said that any pittie in a stress situation may react out of character. I would like to think I had a hand in her equilibrium on dog matters, however I must say that if I didn't know her kids I may not feel so generous even though I owe her LIFE to a pit. (that story is in another thread and it was nearly 19 yrs ago now).

[K9soul]

Actually here is where I most often see any story anyone has ever experienced or heard of that is bad about goldens or labs, or hear most often that people dislike them . Here is the only place where if someone starts a "who loves goldens?" thread it gets filled up with bad stories about them, instead of positive comments. It's frustrated me more than once that people who hate seeing a breed slammed turn around and slam a breed. Not aimed at you Jordan, or anyone else, just saying in general (venting a bit!). Pit bulls aren't inherently bad because of their breed and neither are goldens or labs. I know one PTer posted in a thread once that they didn't cross to the other side of the street when they saw a pittie coming, but they did when they saw a golden coming. To me either way is sad, and breedism.

Unfortunately goldens and labs are so overbred and puppy-milled, and such common breeds, you're more likely to come across poorly bred and poorly trained and raised dogs. I just personally hate to see any breed targeted for negative comments that are directed at them as a breed instead of individual dogs. Dogs are dogs and they can all be very sweet or they can be nightmares, it all depends on the owners, how they are raised, if they are trained and get exercise and mental stimulation so that they don't get bored and frustrated, if they have a good pack structure, etc and so on.

Anyhow.. off my soapbox

[Flatcoatluver]

Actually here is where I most often see any story anyone has ever experienced or heard of that is bad about goldens or labs, or hear most often that people dislike them . Here is the only place where if someone starts a golden thread it gets filled up with bad stories about them, instead of positive comments. It's frustrated me more than once that people who hate seeing a breed slammed turn around and slam a breed. Not aimed at you Jordan, or anyone else, just saying in general (venting a bit!). Pit bulls aren't inherently bad because of their breed and neither are goldens or labs. Unfortunately goldens and labs are so overbred and puppy-milled, and such common breeds, you're more likely to come across poorly bred and poorly trained and raised dogs. I just personally hate to see any breed targeted for negative comments that are directed at them as a breed instead of individual dogs. Dogs are dogs and they can all be very sweet or they can be nightmares, it all depends on the owners, how they are raised, if they are trained and get exercise and mental stimulation so that they don't get bored and frustrated, if they have a good pack structure, etc and so on.

Anyhow.. off my soapbox

You are right. But I think Jorden(wolfsoul) made this thread to uneducated people that ANY breed can be aggresive. It isn't just the "aggesive breeds". I am sorry if I offended you or anyone else with my post.

[K9soul]

I've been editing as I thought of more about what I wanted to say. I'm not offended, and I know the purpose wasn't to pick out another breed. It was more a mental cathartic episode on my part, goldens/labs are ALWAYS used as the "bad" example it seems like . I know the folks in this thread are farthest from blaming a breed rather than deed. If I sounded angry, I promise I didn't intend to

[DrKym]

well said K9 however even the best breeders line breed (inbreed) so not all of it is attributed to puppymills. My cocker is sweet great on a grooming table does all her commands on a drop of the dime. cost hubby a fortune as she is show quality. She is also incredibly clingy we hire a sitter to go out, otherwise she chews her fur off literally. She adores kids is terrified of the door bell has stomach issues (hence the raw diet cleared that hurdle) is prone to unprovoked bouts of high pitched barking and "fits" she just sorta goes weird. We spayed her rather than even consider the show ring or breeding her. Paid a huge sum (nearly 1200 in breach of contract fees) and love her to death.

[K9soul]

well said K9 however even the best breeders line breed (inbreed) so not all of it is attributed to puppymills. My cocker is sweet great on a grooming table does all her commands on a drop of the dime. cost hubby a fortune as she is show quality. She is also incredibly clingy we hire a sitter to go out, otherwise she chews her fur off literally. She adores kids is terrified of the door bell has stomach issues (hence the raw diet cleared that hurdle) is prone to unprovoked bouts of high pitched barking and "fits" she just sorta goes weird. We spayed her rather than even consider the show ring or breeding her. Paid a huge sum (nearly 1200 in breach of contract fees) and love her to death.

Yeah you're right, then there are the dogs who are well loved but have individual issues.. Tash is not a stranger lover and I would NEVER drop her off at a groomer to have her nails done, I honestly don't know if she might try to bite if she was nervous enough. If the owners know their dogs have issues or are likely to bite they should be responsible about it. Unfortunately the world is filled with inconsiderate and irresponsible people. Fortunately there are some wonderfully considerate and responsible people to help make up for it.

I probably shouldn't post when I'm this tired. I'll end up coming across wrong, of course no offense or anger was intended in my first post

[wolfsoul]

Sorry about that Jess, I just meant to say that any breed can bite --- Goldens and labs are seen as such nice, family breeds it can be easy to pick on them in these topics. Nothing against the breeds -- I do like to think of the "ideal" as the breed as a whole -- in which case both labs and goldens are wonderful dogs. Come to think of it, pit bulls used to be the ideal family dog too. I won't be surprised if one day both breeds are seen as "pit bulls." It's frightening. I'm so happy to see more people being educated on good and bad breeding, and so many people becoming more interested in training -- maybe one day dog attacks won't be so common and people won't have to blame the breeds.

[K9soul]

No need to apologize at all. Actually I'm sorry, I'm feeling more and more like I came across as angry or offended . And you actually have a really good point there (and a scary one). At one time pitties really were viewed as great family dogs.. they were icons in a lot of ways. Petey from Little Rascals, the original RCA dog was a pitbull, etc.. Collies have been in the spotlight, dalmations, cocker spaniels.. labs/goldens seem so much in the spotlight now, and it's scary, because we have seen the results of that. You never know who will be the next target of prejudice and BSL because of how people are ruining these dogs.

[DrKym]

K9 and Wolf no offense taken. It just seems that ppl do not want to admit that some of their animals may have issues. All that does is hurt the breed. I would rather admit my dog isn't "perfect" than to live with the fact that someone was hurt because I was ignorant.

[Jadapit]

This is in response to Jadapit (my second fave pittie owner) My daughter has been lurking and she asks 2 things from me. 1 to tell you that she is sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo glad to see another responsible pittie owner

Thank you so much for all the nice comments you always say about me, it makes my day. Also, please tell your daughter thank you. Tell her I want to see pictures of her pitties. I bet they are beautiful!

[GreyhoundGirl]

Ouch... Maybe it's a full moon. I'll go check...

[IRescue452]

The breed I've been bitten by the most in my lifetime is the labrador (and lab mixes). I do not trust labradors at all and I absolutely hate taking them out at work. I wish more people were ready to restrict the breeding and owning of labradors instead of pitties. Labs are overbred and owned by every Joe Schmo that shouldn't have a dog and they need to be restricted.

[K9soul]

I wish more people were ready to restrict the breeding and owning of labradors instead of pitties.

Wow, All I can say is I completely agree with Jordan in that I am against ANY BSL or blanket breed-based statements (bad or good). Turning something that is just wrong to another more "popular" breed doesn't make it right. Again, it has nothing to do with labs as a breed. It has to do with so many owning labs, and often people who run out and get a puppy mill dog and then don't train it right, raise it right, or exercise it enough until it becomes a problem. Start restricting labs, and they will turn to the next breed, and pretty soon you can replace your statement with "they should restrict _________ breed." I don't want to see ANY breed filling in that blank. People need to become educated, better dog owners, and some people don't have any business owning a dog period. Don't move from one form of breedism to another.. it will just perpetuate the problem . Ugh, I just tend to get really emotional on these topics. I should have the sense to stay away from them .

[luvofallhorses]

well said, Jess. I would never ever say I want this certain dog breed banned, ever! regardless if I had a bad expierience..or not. I blame the owner, not the dog. I go by the saying "punish the deed NOT the breed".. I, fortunately haven't had one dog attack me or any other animal for that matter. I just wish this BSL s*** would end, seriously! I am with you, Jess I do tend to get emotional on these topics, too..

[CagneyDog]

You know, it seems that a large chunk of people are against BSL when it's in regards to Pit Bulls, but they are more supportive, or more understanding of it when it comes to Labs, Goldens, and other breeds. This really, really bugs me. First of all, the statistics are never accurate, they're more Labs in the world therefore, naturally statistics would show that there is more dog attacks coming from them. Of course they're overbred and such, but you do need to keep the population stuff in mind.