50+ rats OH MY hehe

[My Peanuts]

I hope you understand that our concerns are about the animals. I don't dislike you. I just want every single animal to be treated with the most respect that they can.

[My Peanuts]

Also, Grissim aside, I'm finding it troubling that you can't tell us how the others are "killed." You described it as the most humane way possible. If that's the fact then it shouldn't me an issue how they are "killed."

[Miss Z]

Also, Grissim aside, I'm finding it troubling that you can't tell us how the others are "killed." You described it as the most humane way possible. If that's the fact then it shouldn't me an issue how they are "killed."

That's still troubling me too.

I've really got to try to stay off of this thread now. I don't want to say things I may regret, and I'm so sick of argueing, I really don't want to and I've tried to understand what everyone is saying, but on this one I'm so worried. I can't lose any more sleep over the welfare of these animals.

[king2005]

That's still troubling me too.

I've really got to try to stay off of this thread now. I don't want to say things I may regret, and I'm so sick of argueing, I really don't want to and I've tried to understand what everyone is saying, but on this one I'm so worried. I can't lose any more sleep over the welfare of these animals.

loosing sleep over what? that I'd rather save my pet rat from horrible suffering? or that I have a big ugly pet thats gonna eat something cute & fuzzy?

What have I not answered thats making you loose sleep over?

[molucass]

They have already explained to you what you have not answered.

If the way you "KILL" your feeders is SO humane, then why can't you explain how you "KILL" them? If it was indeed humane, you wouldn't have a problem posting the explanation.

[Jods]

MyPeanuts and Miss Z you guys are asking how is she killing the feeders, do you really want to know? No matter what you say shes not gonna change her mind its useless! so do you still really wanna know how they are killed? it will break your hearts no I don't know either and I don't want to know. Please just let it be.

[Miss Z]

loosing sleep over what? that I'd rather save my pet rat from horrible suffering? or that I have a big ugly pet thats gonna eat something cute & fuzzy?

What have I not answered thats making you loose sleep over?

OK, at which point did I condemn your turtle for sparking this controversy? I understand the law of nature quite well. I would have far less of a problem if I thought you were breeding responsibly, but unfortunately I don't. This whole thread was started in a very light-hearted manner, it's only turned serious when people such as myself began to raise questions. How can I not feel guilty when my own rat lives such a good life, and I feel that far away there are others like her who are cramped up and will be disposed of in a way you consider humane but will not tell us about?

[midget gem]

I agree with Miss Z completely, you have no right to treat animals in this way

[king2005]

I agree with Miss Z completely, you have no right to treat animals in this way

in what way may I ask?
so I know where your coming from, so I can acutally reply to your post.

[king2005]

Miss Z & molucass, your really starting to creep me out! in a sick & twisted way too!

Why do you want such details?

I don't know about you, but I'm 99.99% sure others do not want to know that. Just like they don't want to know all the details on how their juicy burger became a juicy burger. I know how my burger became a burger & honestly I could have lived happly without that tidbit of info. I'm more interested in the care of the animal then its death. Death is death(yes there is a right & wrong way, but in the end its still death). its sad but needed & the end result is the same, it ends up on my plate & then I eat it.

If you think I enjoy killing critters then you don't know me at all. I hate that part. Thats why I spent 6 months researching the best & most humaine way to do it. I even had help from my biology & chemistry teachers (I did this 7yrs ago, its not recent as I haven't been in high school for about 6yrs). I didn't just wake up one day & say HEY I wanna kill a mouse/rat & feed it to my pet! Sorry but thats NOT me.

I will admit that when I first started I did a lot of the wrong care. I didn't know there were bad & good shavings, or bad & good cages (tanks vs wire walls vs wire bottoms). I assumed the pet stores knew what they were doing. I learned all the proper care here on PT. I've always wanted the best care for my rats & thats WHY I made this thread & tried to answer all questions, as I knew people would want precise details on their care. I have & DO spend a lot of money on the rats. & yes I do get excited when my rats have babies, its excited (woman thing), I try to enjoy the moment & not think of what I have to do later. As i do not enjoy it - I think I would have to be one sick *&@$%# to enjoy that!

When I had Oscar (a fish) I spent OVER 1000.00 on her in 1 year! & several hundered dollars everyother year for 4years (just on meds, not regular fish care). Oscar was imbred (just my luck, grrr.. another example of an imbred pet suffering.. see why I'm SOOO against it!) & she started have problems from day 1. I did everything I could to save her. She would have good & bad months, or good & BAD years. When Oscar got sick for the last time, I looked at her & decided that the non-stop treatments wern't worth her suffering & I was beeing greedy for keeping her alive. She suffered for 5yrs (not all the time, only when she fell ill & then the meds made her depressed.. yes Oscars get depressed!!). Right after my 23rd birthday I ended her suffering. If I ever get another Oscar & they show the same symptoms/illness, I'll treat them once & if they get it again, then I'll end the suffering. I don't want to be greedy when it comes to an animals suffering. they have to come first. I can always afford the vet bill (I don't do over time for fun you know), but many times its not worth the prolonged suffering. I am all for human's deciding when enough is enough(as in humans killing themselves or being PTS due to suffering). My friend ended his horrible suffering (there was NO hope for him) & I do not hate him for it. I feel good that his suffering is over & his family no longer has to watch him suffering.

I really do hate it when people assume I'm a monster for killing feeders or ending a pets suffering by it being PTS. Its really not fair to assume & its not safe/right to assume either, as I have learned.

Please stop asking how the feeders are killed, I cannot & will not post it. If you have other questions on the care I will answer those (you ask rudely(or in an attacking mannor) I'll answer rudely.. I'm only human I can only be polite for so long).

[Miss Z]

Miss Z & molucass, your really starting to creep me out! in a sick & twisted way too!

Ah well, guess I'm sick and twisted then. For trying to get to the bottom of a situation. Believe you me, I DO NOT want to know how you kill them, as I feel you've something to hide. The fact scares me that you are bottling up how you do it.

And I do not have a problem with your turtle eating.

I'm only human I can only be polite for so long).

I'm a human too.

[king2005]

How can I not feel guilty when my own rat lives such a good life, and I feel that far away there are others like her who are cramped up and will be disposed of in a way you consider humane but will not tell us about?

What cramped conditions are you talking about?

I forget who posted it, but the cage will nicely house 8 rats (Adult rats). I only have 5 rats in that cage & the most 6 rats. Each rat has her own nest box. When the babies are born they cannot move (as in running around the cage) & do not require anymore space then their nest. The babies will not be old enough to leave the nest by the time they are removed, therefore the cage is not too small...biggest reason why I only deal with feeder babies(as I have said before) & not adults, I cannot house that many adults & never want to either, as messing up the sex could happen & all hell could break loose & I'm not risking that!