50+ rats OH MY hehe

[Miss Z]

I'm still very concerned...

You cannot PTS a feeder as the toxins in its body will go into the animal feeding on it (very bad!), there for it is killed. Cows, chicken, pigs, deer are all killed.. pets are PTS...

I'm still miffed on this one. Killed how, exactly? Feeder or not, an animal deserves a humane death. Surely putting one feeder to sleep would not cause the animal who would have eaten it to starve, seeing as you have bred feeder rats already. Personally, I do not squash spiders, flies or wasps, and definitely could not 'kill' a rat.

I just have to ask, what size cage are all these animals in? How often do you clean it? I really do not want these creatures to be stored up like sausages. I am glad that you disagree with some of the drugs used in the meat trade, but please, I think everyone here wants better care for your feeders. Your turtle eats them, so you owe them. Everything has a right to live, so perhaps if we begin to hear more positive things about your rats rather than you telling us that your putting one down simply because its inbred, you can expect more helpful and kinder comments.

Please, if I could show you that I'm on my knees I would. PLEASE please please take a little more responsibility for these animals. They've been on my mind for the past few days.

I'm going to hug Tia and remind her what a beautiful girl she is.

[king2005]

I'm still very concerned...

I'm still miffed on this one. Killed how, exactly? Feeder or not, an animal deserves a humane death. Surely putting one feeder to sleep would not cause the animal who would have eaten it to starve, seeing as you have bred feeder rats already. Personally, I do not squash spiders, flies or wasps, and definitely could not 'kill' a rat.

I just have to ask, what size cage are all these animals in? How often do you clean it? I really do not want these creatures to be stored up like sausages. I am glad that you disagree with some of the drugs used in the meat trade, but please, I think everyone here wants better care for your feeders. Your turtle eats them, so you owe them. Everything has a right to live, so perhaps if we begin to hear more positive things about your rats rather than you telling us that your putting one down simply because its inbred, you can expect more helpful and kinder comments.

Please, if I could show you that I'm on my knees I would. PLEASE please please take a little more responsibility for these animals. They've been on my mind for the past few days.

I'm going to hug Tia and remind her what a beautiful girl she is.

(I swear I said this already) I do kill the feeders as humanily as possible. I spent 6 months working, planing & researching the best way for an animal to be killed. My method causes very little to no stress & almost no fear. No pain is involved either & its a more natural way to die. I cannot & will not explain how I do it in a post.

Do I really have to repeat that Grissim is being PTS again? PLEASE read all the posts (everyones posts too, so mine make some sence.. or so I hope).

The rats are in a 4foot by 2 foot by 2 foot cage. Its a rabbit cage, so there are bars on the sides & top & its a plastic bottom, so there is no worry about bubble foot.

I clean the cage between 2-3 times a week. When the babies are born the nests will be cleaned daily. I clean the cage in my Shower stall with bleach & hot water (bleach works best in hot water). Then I spray the bottom of the cage with the lice spray. Add lots of Aspen bedding, Dump the food in the large dog bowl, scrub it with bleach & hot water in my bathroom sink, & add fresh food when its dry(if the dish is clean & they didn't fill it with shavings, then I wait till the next cleaning). I change their 3 water bottles everyday & wash them with hot water only, but use bleach & hot water on the metal spout thingy.

the 2ed cage is a Hamster cage. its strictly a temp cage. I put all the rats in it to clean out the big cage. They are in it for about 30-60 mins. Thats when I usually spoil them with a fancy drink from the mini hamster water bottle (the bottle is useless other wise) & give them a slice of bread (the heal, I hate the heal).

I play with them every night before I go to bed (thats also when i do the water changes). Shawn is still scared of them so he will only pet Vodka on the head with his bare finger, but he will make baby sounds to her & always wants to spoil her with a carrot.

Once a rat is called a pet/breeder, they will never become food for another pet, thats why I name them & play with them.
Vodka
Vixy
Squeeks (thinking of changing her name as shes quiet now)
Takelia (sp I have no idea)
Baileys

[My Peanuts]

This is terrible. You are putting down your pet rat and show no sadness in ANY of your posts! It's mentioned only as a matter of fact and that's it. This is so ridiculous. You have no right to be a pet owner or to consider yourself a pet lover. You are not handling this right. I'm done posting and reading. I feel bad for the rats that are in your so called care.

And that cage is not adequate for 50+ rats. Not even close.

[My Peanuts]

According to the rat cage calculator that cage should comfortably house 8 rats! EIGHT! Not 50+

Here's the link. Rat Cage Calculator

[Miss Z]

This is terrible. You are putting down your pet rat and show no sadness in ANY of your posts! It's mentioned only as a matter of fact and that's it. This is so ridiculous. You have no right to be a pet owner or to consider yourself a pet lover. You are not handling this right. I'm done posting and reading. I feel bad for the rats that are in your so called care.

And that cage is not adequate for 50+ rats. Not even close.

I am in complete agreement. Tia, on her own, is in a bigger cage than that!

And actually, I have read all the posts, I've just not found an adequate answer. To say that you won't explain how you plan to deal with the rats which don't quite reach standard leaves me very suspicious indeed.

BTW, it's bumble foot.

[king2005]

I am in complete agreement. Tia, on her own, is in a bigger cage than that!

And actually, I have read all the posts, I've just not found an adequate answer. To say that you won't explain how you plan to deal with the rats which don't quite reach standard leaves me very suspicious indeed.

Guess I have to type this in more detail for you, I thought you understood how an animal was PTS (as I already said its done by the vet in an earlier post).

Grissim will be handed over to a vet. The vet will bring Grissim into the back. The vet will stick a needle in Grissim's belly & inject him with a drug that'll put him to sleep. Then they'll stick him with a 2ed needle in the belly that'll stop his heat & kill him while he's sleeping so he wont feel any pain when his heart stops beating.

I so didn't want to type that kind of detail!

[My Peanuts]

Guess I have to type this in more detail for you, I thought you understood how an animal was PTS (as I already said its done by the vet in an earlier post).

Grissim will be handed over to a vet. The vet will bring Grissim into the back. The vet will stick a needle in Grissim's belly & inject him with a drug that'll put him to sleep. Then they'll stick him with a 2ed needle in the belly that'll stop his heat & kill him while he's sleeping so he wont feel any pain when his heart stops beating.

I so didn't want to type that kind of detail!

I think Miss Z's concern is for the feeders as well as Grissim. I'm pretty sure she knows how a vet puts an animal to sleep.

[Miss Z]

Guess I have to type this in more detail for you, I thought you understood how an animal was PTS (as I already said its done by the vet in an earlier post).

Grissim will be handed over to a vet. The vet will bring Grissim into the back. The vet will stick a needle in Grissim's belly & inject him with a drug that'll put him to sleep. Then they'll stick him with a 2ed needle in the belly that'll stop his heat & kill him while he's sleeping so he wont feel any pain when his heart stops beating.

I so didn't want to type that kind of detail!

Wait, your posts do not make sense. In a previous post, you differenciated between putting an animal down and how you plan to 'kill' Grissim. Yes, I do understand how an animal is PTS, thank-you-very-much, and from the sounds of it, I know a heck of a lot more about rats than you do evidently. I hate to be so accusing but this whole thread has hit a raw nerve for me.

And if you don't cry at the death of your pets, I pity you. Really, I do.

[king2005]

Wait, your posts do not make sense. In a previous post, you differenciated between putting an animal down and how you plan to 'kill' Grissim. Yes, I do understand how an animal is PTS, thank-you-very-much, and from the sounds of it, I know a heck of a lot more about rats than you do evidently. I hate to be so accusing but this whole thread has hit a raw nerve for me.

And if you don't cry at the death of your pets, I pity you. Really, I do.

I didn't say I was killing Grissim, I said I was going to get him PTS. I said Grissim isn't a feeder, hes a pet/breeder.

Feeders are killed & pets are PTS. I also said I'm NOT going into details on how to kill a feeder & that I will not post regardless.

Why do I have to cry? Why can't I just feel sad & feel like crap?

[king2005]

This is terrible. You are putting down your pet rat and show no sadness in ANY of your posts! It's mentioned only as a matter of fact and that's it. This is so ridiculous. You have no right to be a pet owner or to consider yourself a pet lover. You are not handling this right. I'm done posting and reading. I feel bad for the rats that are in your so called care.

And that cage is not adequate for 50+ rats. Not even close.

The cage is for 5 females! The babies will only be there a short time, until they are removed. The rats sleep in their boxes, so having the babies staying in there is not making any difference in the size of the cage.. its not like they'll be running around or anything.

As I SAID before (again with me repeating things!!). I already delt with Rats in the SAME state as Grissim & with all the meds & VET Bills, the rat still suffered in the end! I AM NOT PUTTING ANOTHER PET THROUGH THAT!! ITS WRONG TO MAKE IT SUFFER JUST BECAUSE I WANT IT AS A PET & WANT IT ON THIS EARTH LONGER, ITS NOT MY RIGHT (yes I'm yelling now, because people aren't reading everything!)!!!


Ummmm I'm typing on the internet..soo.. How on earth do you know how I feel?? I don't cry for all the deaths of my pets. Do I feel sad YES, do I feel like crying NO, did I take my time & decide what was best & what needed to be done YES.

[My Peanuts]

Just as your anger gets through on the Internet so does your lack of remorse.

Yes I am reading ALL the posts and your answers are simply not good enough and some of the questions are conveniently not answered. It’s obvious this is all just to save money. Money on buying feeders and money saved by not taking sick pets for vet care. If you can't afford the proper care for ALL of your animals then you have no right to have them.

[king2005]

Just as your anger gets through on the Internet so does your lack of remorse.

Yes I am reading ALL the posts and your answers are simply not good enough and some of the questions are conveniently not answered. It’s obvious this is all just to save money. Money on buying feeders and money saved by not taking sick pets for vet care. If you can't afford the proper care for ALL of your animals then you have no right to have them.

What questions did I miss?? I know I ignored some as I had already answered them & felt no need to retype the answer, unless asked again. I'm doin gmy best to answer, if I missed a few, I'm sorry, I'm trying to type, chat & work all at the sametime & work & shat comes first before making sure I answered every single question, esp when I though I did.

ummm.. There is NO way you read & understood everything, cause you would not have said I'm out to save money on feeders. I spend WAY more money on careing for the rats then buying them at the store! 1 feeder is about a 1.00, so thats gonna cost me about 4.00/month to buy feeders in a store. I'm sorry but i spend WAY more then 4.00 on my rats/month! I breed so I know whats going into my Turtle. I don't want crap going into him that'll kill him!

I'm spending 60.00 to have Grissim PTS & I'll pay that 100 times if I have to!!

I do NOT want to watch another rat pissing & craping all over the place while having seazures because of the meds they have to take, How the hell is that treatment!!! I went through 2 rats that acted like that. I WILL NOT do it again.. I cannot put a pet through that kind of hell just to keep it longer & to please people like you. How much more details do you want?? Do you need to know the colour of the urin, how much crap come out while the rat is shaking all over the place or what colour the skin turns when they stop breathing ?! For gods sake I said I have seen them go through hell through the treatments!! I was trying to spare you the horrible details!! I also don't want to see that ever again!! If you can handle your pet suffering through a treatment like that, then fine thats your choice to watch your pet look like that.. for me, NO WAY IN HELL. I'd rather bring it to the vet & have it PTS so it doesn't have to suffer!

[Miss Z]

Perhaps if your first lot of rats was so stressful why on earth did you decide to risk that happening again?