Huhhh... great. Just perfect.

[Sevaede]

Everyone here has made some good points.

Life does go on. Sure, it may be irritating for you but there will be other chances, not to minimize the importance of what you said or anything. Now, you and Lola can enjoy stress free play time!

[Kfamr]

Completely fine? She came from awesome parents and was meant to be shown. She was a show puppy. And I took my time and energy to train her, and now she's spayed. That sound completely fine to you?

Yep, I do believe that's what I said!
It's not like it's a necessity for a dog from "awesome parents" to be shown. Now, her risks of several cancers is reduced, awesome!


I thought you had another "show dog" anyways?

[i_rescue]

I'm sorry Lola got spayed. I would be very angry, too. Maybe you should start the discussion and ask Lisa why she spayed Lola?

[Flatcoatluver]

Arn't you 13? That's young! There are plenty of changes for you to show. Just be happy of that experience you got, imagine that on a resume!

[Iilo]

You can show altered dogs in juniors if you co-own the dog. Showing in AKC juniors events is a great way to meet people who need an extra hand. You'll probably end up getting experience in the breed ring anyway if you're nice and curteous to people you meet.

And I'm sorry, but there is no way you can trick an AKC judge into not knowing she's spayed. If you knew so much about conformation, you would realize how stupid and wrong that would be to even try that. It's an obvious difference to ME, so I can't imagine how it would be to someone who's had 30+ years in dogs.

You have no legal right to Lola, therefore you have no right to be upset. From the pictures I've seen of her, she didn't look like she was going to do much in the rottie ring anyway.

[Muddy4paws]

I dont know much about show dogs but if someone is willing to show a dog in the first place then change her mind about it then Im sure it was a good reason, Also I know if I found out someone was ranting about me online to people about the decisions on MY dog I really wouldnt be happy and I'm sure she wouldnt be either, Maybe actually talk to her about it instead of coming on here and talking about her like shes has made the wrong decision as someone has already said you dont own the dog, you Co own it so am I right in thinking the dog is with her all the time? as in her care? does she pay the vet bills? so what she does with it is completely up to her even if she did make a verbal agreement I'm sure she had a good enough reason and I'm sure she was thinking of the dogs health more than your wants of a show dog just like any other loving owner would do. You should try looking at it from her point of view I actually think she has made a very wise decision to get her spayed especially if there are many male dogs about I think I would prefer a spayed dog rather than having puppies running around.

[Tollers-n-Dobes]

I'm not trying to be rude, but to be completely honest, just by looking at her pictures she didn't look like she would ever succeed in a ring. Yes, she is pretty, but I've been around a lot of Rottweilers in my life and know a few breeders and Lola doesn't even compare to their dogs...even when they were puppies. Sorry. Like I said, I wasn't trying to be rude - just voicing my opinion. That, and like others have said - at 13 you cannot legally own or co-own a dog...atleast not around here anyway. Plus, this all sounds kind of odd to me as the breeder would have had to have had a say in whether Lola should or shouldn't be shown, and Lisa would have discussed the spaying thing with the breeder (if the breeder was any good) - not you. When I get my Toller, I can't tell my breeder that I'm going to show her and then turn around a few months later and decide to spay her without consulting my breeder first. It just doesn't work that way.


Also, please somebody correct me if I'm worng, but I thought the only co-ownership than can be had over a dog is between the breeder and the owner only?

[moosmom]

You might want to check and see if they have a "household pet" category in dogs. I have 3 purebred cats that were rescues. 2 of them I showed in household pet. They did great. Wouldn't hurt to check, right?

[buttercup132]

Oh well now she is much healthier.Thats something to be glad about.

No effence but you dont really co-own her...
theres nothing saying you do, you dont pay anything towards her so what made her half yours?
You would of been her handler not her co-owner.

I co-own Rowdy.
I pay monthly for him but its still the ladys horse.
She sold Trigger and I had no say in it.
I didnt want him to go but its her horse and she dose what she wants and even though I actually paid half the board ect I didnt get to have a say in him leaving.

You have the other dog to show anyways.
Just be happy for that.

Ya it sucks your out a show dog but you learned alot and will be ready for the next one that comes. Maybe her mom decided she wasnt fit for the show ring or didnt want to put all that money into it because like you said you dont pay for anything and showing is expnsive as you should know.

Are you sure theres no other sport.
What about flyball?


EDIT: Also sounds like she has a smart mommy if there are male dogs running around not fixed. You dont want to add to the population of unwanted dogs right? And greater the risk of cancer .

[Husky_mom]

I have to say yes, Lola was pretty, but to my appreciation not a "perfection" of breed standard, and by the way not a show prospect, not to offend but she wasn´t in my eyes..........

Other thing you always claimed you co-owned her and Diesel, but you have no legal papers or anything, it´s like if I said "yeah that´s my mom´s dog but I co-own him/her because I trin him/her". Co-own is a very different thing than training/playing/handling a dog.

this I took from a previous thread you posted I bolded some things YOU posted

Do you show dogs?
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Do you show dogs? Yes
Are they your dogs? No
Are they your co-dogs? No
Do you just handle them (so they aren't your dog or your co-dog)? Yes, they are my friend's dogs'
What are their breeds? Diesel, Boxer and Lola, Rottweiler

Sorry to hear you got mad, it may seem they throwed your work away, but now she´ll be a better pet with what you taught her, despite not being in the show side.

Many here made very good points toward the issue here, but don´t get mad, life goes on and as Lola may not be a show dog you´ll find another eventually that will...........

[bckrazy]

Seriously, just calm it down. Why do you care if Lola is spayed? You can show speutered dogs in Juniors. The decision is up to the owners & the breeder, not you, even if you trained her. A 13 year-old doesn't co-own, or own, any dogs. Just because you're a handler doesn't mean you are entitled to ownership.

We a l l completely support altering dogs that are anything less than superb breed quality, and the owners either saw that she was not, or that they were not responsible enough to watch her 24/7 during her heats and prevent an unwanted pregnancy, and they're smart enough to admit it. That is really, really good news! Would you rather she ended up producing mixed breed litters with possibly dangerous temperaments, and increase her chances of getting pyo or mammary/uterus cancers?

[Iilo]

Actually, to correct a misconception I've seen on this thread -- people under 18 can legally co-own a dog (I've never heard of the term "co-dog" before PT though). Many juniors "sign onto" (which is a legal documentation process of simply signing onto the dog's papers as an owner) dogs to show in junior showmanship.

And people under 18 can legally own a dog as well, but I don't think they can legally sign contracts, which is why most dogs are simply under the parents' names (breeder contracts usually need to be signed when the dog comes from a responsible breeder).

[DIANESDOGS]

I am sorry that you are so upset. I don't visit PT much and post even less so it is quite likely that I am missing something here.

Is Lisa an adult (over 18) and the legal owner of the dog? I mean, do you have a legal claim to CO-ownership? If not, then I must say I have to agree with the others. But I do understand your frustration and disappointment.

[luvofallhorses]

Well, it's her dog, and so she has the right to decide what to do with her. She is also right about there being too many dogs already. Perhaps she just decided she didn't want to show her. As far as tricking the show judges, well obviously that's just stupid and wrong and you know it. Nobody is going to help you know how to do that. I'm sorry you are so angry, but she wasn't your dog in the first place, and breeding her wouldn't have given you the puppies, they would have belonged to her actual owner, so I don't really see why you are so angry. If someone had spayed your dog, okay I could see it, but she wasn't your dog. And putting work into it and getting her ready to show, still taught you plenty about how to go about it, so you didn't come away with nothing, unless you choose to see it that way.

well said.. in all honesty I am glad she got her spayed..why are you angry she got her spayed? not to offend you but there are a lot of problems an unspayed dog can have believe it or not and plus it helps stop the pet overpopulation problem.

[cyber-sibes]

I can understand you feel cheated out of your opportunity. Life will bring you many such experiences. Best to accept it and grow. Lola is a better dog because of the training. You are a better handler for the experience. Let it go. Stay honest. Look at the bigger picture.