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    “Indian” mascots – appropriate or not?

    The Squabbling Illini: Rallying Cries Lead to Rift

    December 16, 2003
    By MIKE WISE

    URBANA, Ill. - The history books say the last Indian tribe
    in Illinois was forcibly relocated to Kansas and then
    Oklahoma early in the 19th century.

    But there is one Indian left, according to members of the
    Honor the Chief Society: Chief Illiniwek.

    Of course, the chief is not a typical Indian, and he is not
    even a real one. He is a student dressed in Hollywood-style
    regalia, created 77 years ago by an assistant band director
    at the University of Illinois. He dances at halftime of
    football and basketball games.

    A debate over whether mascots with Indian themes are
    offensive or harmless has played out on college campuses
    and at professional stadiums for more than two decades. But
    there is something singular here, a fierce loyalty to a
    student in war paint that makes the hair stand on grown
    men's forearms. The passions aroused by the chief also make
    the great-great-granddaughter of Sitting Bull, a junior at
    Illinois, fear for her safety.

    The catalyst for the debate was a proposal last month by
    Dr. Frances Carroll, a new member of the university's board
    of trustees, to have Chief Illiniwek "honorably retired."
    She set aside her proposal after her support on the board
    eroded unexpectedly, but she intends to raise it again in
    March.

    The proposal has divided the board and the university along
    political and, at times, racial lines. A symbol of pride to
    many students and alumni, Chief Illiniwek can at the same
    time be a hurtful reminder to American Indians of their
    mistreatment, of a misappropriation of their culture.

    The chief's presence at football and basketball games flies
    in the face of a national trend. In 1970, more than 3,000
    American athletic programs referred to American Indians in
    nicknames, logos or mascots, according to the Morning Star
    Institute, a Native American organization. Today, there are
    fewer than 1,100. At a time when American Indians are
    reclaiming their heritage, the use of Indian mascots and
    nicknames has ceased at all but a handful of major
    universities.

    At Illinois, though, the forces of change have met strong
    resistance. Roger Huddleston, a local home builder and the
    president of the Honor the Chief Society, calls Carroll's
    proposal the "November ambush at the O.K. Corral."

    "Chief Illiniwek is part of my geographic heritage," he
    said. "For anyone to dismiss that because I'm Caucasian,
    that's racist."

    Whose Symbol Is It? John Gadaut, a lawyer in Champaign,
    said he had spent more than $5,000 on keep-the-chief
    billboards and buttons.

    "I'm a Native American," said Gadaut, who is white. "I was
    born and bred in Illinois. The chief means something to me,
    too. People keep saying we have a mascot. No, we have a
    symbol."

    But those who think it is time to do away with the chief
    note that the symbol for the past three years, and for
    almost all of the past eight decades, has been portrayed by
    a white college student.

    More than 800 faculty members have signed petitions,
    contending that the mascot interferes with fulfilling an
    academic mission, diversity. Nancy Cantor, the chancellor
    of the university's Champaign-Urbana campus, supports doing
    away with the mascot.

    Carroll said: "It's time for it to be put to bed. It's
    tough, but we have to do it."

    Their success is still very much in doubt, with
    well-financed boosters and alumni determined to keep the
    chief.

    "It's got all the subtexts," Lawrence C. Eppley, the
    chairman of the board of trustees, said. On one side, he
    said, are "the people who see themselves as the do-goodie
    white person."

    "On the other, you got the old, bad white people from the
    Midwest who can't change with the times," he said. "This is
    about the chief, of course, but it's partly about the tail
    end of the p.c. backlash of the 90's. When you start
    throwing the word racist around, the other side becomes
    firmly entrenched."

    Genevieve Tenoso, an anthropology major who is a
    seventh-generation descendant of Sitting Bull, the
    legendary Hunkpapa leader, experienced a dose of the
    roiling emotions when she ran into a group of students
    demonstrating on behalf of the chief under the banner "The
    Illini Nation."

    "I think I said, `Look, now they've got their own tribe,' "
    she said. "And a guy told me if I didn't shut up he was
    going to pop me in the lip."

    "Who knew," she said, "that this would be the issue on
    campus to get people to resort to a threat of violence?"

    The Battle Begins

    The movement to abolish American Indian
    nicknames began in the 1960's in Indian communities and on
    several college campuses. Oklahoma's "Little Red" was the
    first nickname to be retired, in 1970. Stanford and
    Dartmouth soon followed, dropping Indians from their team
    names.

    The movement to do away with the nicknames and mascots
    appeared to have won a key battle in 1999, when a panel in
    the United States Patent and Trademark Office ruled that
    Redskins was a disparaging moniker and violated federal
    law. Six trademarks involving the Washington Redskins were
    revoked.

    Last month, federal District Court Judge Colleen
    Kollar-Kotelly overturned that ruling. Suzan Harjo, one of
    six plaintiffs in the case, said they had appealed.

    At Illinois, Charlene Teters, a member of the Spokane
    Nation, took her children to a football game in the late
    1980's and decided to do something about Chief Illiniwek.

    Soon after, Teters, a graduate student at the time, started
    holding up a handmade placard outside the stadium that read
    "American Indians are people, not mascots." News accounts
    of her protest spurred the movement.

    "When you see a community erode your child's self-esteem,
    you act," said Teters, now an artist and professor at the
    Institute of American Indian Art in Santa Fe, N.M. When she
    arrived at Illinois, a campus sorority was still holding a
    Miss Illini Squaw contest.

    "I felt then we needed to kill the fake Indian," Teters
    said. "They say, `We're doing it to honor Native Americans
    and the history of the state.' But it just seems like
    misplaced atonement, especially when they want to dictate
    the boundaries of that atonement."

    Ever since, the chief's three-minute halftime performance
    has divided the university, sometimes along political
    lines.

    Carroll, the trustee seeking to retire the mascot, is an
    African-American former schoolteacher with Democratic
    leanings who grew up and still lives on the South Side of
    Chicago. Carroll insisted that her motivation had nothing
    to do with being an African-American woman and everything
    to do with "being a human being."

    Marge Sodemann, one of two voting trustees on the
    university's 10-member board who adamantly defend the
    chief, is a staunch Republican from the prairie. The
    license plate on her sedan reads "GOP Lady."

    "The chief stands for the values, trust and honor of
    everything that went on in the past," Sodemann said. "It's
    not a racist mascot. Everything he's done is honorable. The
    people here really dote on him."

    More than 200 students, including dozens of members of the
    marching band, held an all-night vigil in support of the
    mascot before the board meeting Nov. 13. The day of the
    meeting, other students demonstrated in favor of retiring
    the chief. And during the public board meeting, some white
    students sang Indian songs and performed tomahawk chops.

    Proposal Must Wait

    Carroll needs 6 of the board's 10 votes to retire the chief.
    At the 11th hour, she said, at least two trustees waffled in
    their support, so she shelved the proposal until March.

    Anti-chief factions contend that wealthy alumni have long
    pressured Illinois governors to maintain the mascot, and
    they say that governors, through channels, have pressured
    their appointees on the university's board. Governor Rod R.
    Blagojevich has said that the decision is a university
    matter.

    While her fellow trustees were aware of Carroll's passion
    for the issue, they did not know the ancestry of the woman
    for whom she is named. Frances Graves, Carroll's
    grandmother, was a Creek Indian from York, Ala. Carroll
    brought a photo of Graves, a light-skinned woman with
    straight hair who was wearing a cloth hat and a collared,
    white powdery sweater, to an interview at the university's
    Chicago campus.

    "I haven't really told anyone about that, just didn't see
    the need," Carroll said. "They always said she was
    full-blooded, but I'm not really sure.

    "Anyhow, I never thought about it, being a black woman
    sticking up for the American Indian or doing this for my
    grandmother. I just thought about doing what's right."

    Chief Illiniwek was created in 1926 by the university's
    assistant band director, Lester Luetwiler.

    The chief's first appearance came during a game against
    Penn; he offered a peace pipe to a mascot of William Penn.

    Red Grange was the Illini star then, and many alumni
    associated the Galloping Ghost with the advent of the chief
    era. An icon was born.

    Meet the New Chief Matt Veronie, a white graduate student
    with spiked, gelled hair and neatly ironed khaki pants, is
    the current chief. (An assistant chief sometimes fills in
    for him.) At games, Veronie's cheeks are painted Illini
    orange and blue. He wears a matching feathered war bonnet
    and Lakota-made buckskin; at halftime, he dances and leaps
    with a solemn countenance. He wonders about all the fuss.

    "I think what I'm doing is a good thing," he said.

    After graduating next semester, he said he would work to do
    "whatever I can to help people to see the chief tradition
    in the way I see it, for the good that it is, for the
    respect that it deserves."

    "It would be very tough to see the Chief go right now," he
    said.

    The pull of the mascot for many people involves tradition,
    the lure of Illini athletics and college memories.

    "I can still remember the first time I saw the chief in law
    school," Gadaut, the lawyer from Champaign, said. "The hair
    stood right up on my arms. It's my whole heritage in front
    of me. Hey, these people can be my heritage even though
    this guy's skin is not my color."

    He dismissed Carroll and other opponents of the chief as
    "leftist social engineers."

    The people who want to retire the mascot note that
    virtually every major American Indian organization has long
    called for the elimination of sports-based Indian
    references, as has nearly every civil rights and national
    church organization.

    American Indians have rarely been heard in the dispute over
    the chief, but several members of the university who are
    American Indians talked about it one afternoon at the
    Native American House on campus.

    "The chief is symptomatic of how American society co-opts
    the Indian identity and simultaneously romanticizes and
    denigrates that identity," said John McKinn, a Maricopa
    from the Gila River Indian Community who is assistant
    director of the Native American House. "Pseudo-spiritual
    dances are passed off as authentic. It just dismisses who
    we are."

    Tenoso, the great, great granddaugther of Sitting Bull,
    described herself as a "reluctant activist."

    "I wanted to ignore it and join the Native American club to
    learn to make fry bread and go to powwow," she said. "But I
    looked up on the wall at a fan shop and saw the chief head
    on a seat cushion. Then I went online and noticed one of
    the new items for sale is a chief bathroom scale and a
    little two-piece toddler set that said, `Love Me and Love
    My Chief.' I was pulled in."

    Eppley, the chairman of the board of trustees, acknowledged
    that he was uncomfortable with the rationale for retaining
    the chief.

    "A lot of people see it as the dancing rabbi or the black
    minstrel," Eppley said. "Logically and historically, it is
    really tough to build a case for having it. It's likely a
    Boy Scout dance, at best.

    "But you can't draw a straight line back to that for people
    who like the chief. It's more complex."

    Eppley said he would have voted against Carroll's
    resolution last month, because he thought she had rushed it
    onto the board's agenda.

    "I do think it's a matter of when rather than if," he said,
    "but we have to find the right time."

    Carroll, among others, isn't willing to wait much longer.

    "We're in the 21st century in a global society," she said.
    "We have to be sensitive to images, thoughts, behaviors
    that affect other cultures - cultures that we now know we
    were misinformed about."
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    "Chief Illiniwek is part of my geographic heritage," he said. "For anyone to dismiss that because I'm Caucasian, that's racist."
    I had never thought of it this way. But I still can’t agree.

    "The chief is symptomatic of how American society co-opts the Indian identity and simultaneously romanticizes and denigrates that identity," said John McKinn, a Maricopa from the Gila River Indian Community who is assistant director of the Native American House. "Pseudo-spiritual dances are passed off as authentic. It just dismisses who we are."
    This sums up my thoughts very nicely.

    I think U of I and the other remaining 1,000 U.S. Universities with athletic programs still referring to American Indians in nicknames, logos or mascots need to change them.

    But this is coming from someone who isn’t a typical fan of UW Athletics (I support my friends that are on sports teams but that’s where my interest ends) and couldn’t care less about Bucky the Badger. This point is view is that of someone who is active in the multicultural groups on my campus.

    What do the rest of you think about this issue?


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    My Great Grandmother was 3/4 Cherokee. I personally don't find it offensive that my ancestors are the model for a team mascot.

    It doesn’t hurt me, though I’ll readily admit that meeting me you’d never know I have Native American heritage.

    I personally don’t think that’s how people see Native Americans. Unfortunately, I think a lot of whites have a view of Natives as alcoholics that don’t do much except gripe about what they lost (not my view, but a widespread one). Alcoholism is actually a huge problem within the native community and I should think time and resources that are being devoted to the school mascot issue would be better spent on more serious matters. Diabetes is an enormous problem that's killing tribal members in huge numbers every year. I think it’s much more important to focus efforts on life saving and life altering causes rather than cry about a tomahawk wielding “Indian” on the jerseys of the local high school’s team.

    In one of our neighboring towns the team mascot was a coon. They were the Frisco Fighting Coons. Now, these weren’t the “coons” you may be thinking of; it’s short for racoons. They are little furry creatures, and they were the furry “Coons” for nearly 80 years. In March of 2002 they changed the name to the Raccoons. Not a big deal really. It was a pretty easy transition, but there were still people who hated that the tradition changed.

    From the Amarillo Globe-News:

    FRISCO (AP) - The Frisco Fighting Coons are no more.
    1. Some students and parents in the North Dallas suburb had complained the nickname was racially offensive, and the Frisco School Board agreed Monday night, voting unanimously to change the nickname from Coons to Raccoons.
    Superintendent Rick Reedy recommended the change.
    Of several dozen people at Monday night's board meeting, many were vocal in their desire to keep the nickname the same as its been for 78 years. Some wore T-shirts and had signs in their yards reading, "Don't Rac my Coons."
    Supporters said they had never learned to use "coon" as a racial slur and were proud of the nickname, created in 1924 when no one attached any racial significance to the name.


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    I should think time and resources that are being devoted to the school mascot issue would be better spent on more serious matters.
    That is EXACTLY what came to my mind when I first read this thread. *sigh* There are SO many more important issues than a freakin mascot.

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    Yes, if I was a white American living comfortably in the suburbs this whole issue would certainly seem to be at the bottom of my list. HOWEVER, this is a HUGE issue for those who want to see themselves fairly represented in America. The way American Indians have been mistreated and are continually mistreated is shameful enough, then we go and make mascots of them??!! That's just pouring salt in the wound if you ask me.

    As far as I'm concerned, this is not an issue for non-American Indians to weigh in on. It should be up to them to tell US how they want to be represented. Jeez, if it's such a small detail, why can't we just give it up???

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    <<--- glad she's a Tarheel. Offsensive to no one that I know of.

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    Excuse me, but as I come from a long line of people disabled with calloused feet, I find it rather derogatory.

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    lol!
    Actually, the term Tarheel for North Carolinians comes from the Revolutionary war. The legend says that when the British came to battle, the North Carlolinian soldiers stood steadfast and corageous as if they had tar on their heels.

    Another legend is that the school mascot is Tarheel because Hinton James, the University's very first student, walked all the way to the campus from his home on the coast and when he arrived, had road tar on his feet. But he was so determined to come to the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, he walked the distance anyway.

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    Well, let's think about this. Sports teams are in place to win and be the best around. So, they choose strong images as mascots. We have no sports teams named the Kittens, no, we have the Lions. I think that it was meant to be complimentary to have mascots and nicknames named after Native Americans. I have always thought that way. I think that there is no group in America that has been more degradated than the Native Americans. But I do not understand why they are disgusted, although, some of the activities that take place are in poor taste, but, the idea of a mascot based on Native Americans should be taken as a compliment. Where I teach, our nickname is the Braves and the term is always used in a most respectful way. The image of the Brave is one of a strong faced, regal looking Native American.

    Just my thoughts.


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    When I was in 2nd grade, our elementary school allowed the students to vote on a new mascot and colors.
    BIG MISTAKE.
    To this day, the school is called the Unicorns and the colors are pink and purple.

    True story. I swear.

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    I can't imagine life in the South without the "Braves", even if they don't win enough games!!!!

    You make good points, Molly. And 2Kitties, wouldn't you give an arm to be able to rename that mascot?????

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    I wonder what Ghandi would have thought about the use of Indian names for mascots....
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    Honestly, you just never know what Richard is going to say, do you?

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    A stereotype that is thought of as good is still a stereotype. They want representation. Not to be slapped onto a helmet.

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    Originally posted by Soledad
    A stereotype that is thought of as good is still a stereotype. They want representation. Not to be slapped onto a helmet.
    I rather be slapped on a helmet than slapped on the rear.
    That hurts.

    And I suppose the calloused-feet people will unite soon to get the name 'football' changed????
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    Originally posted by Soledad
    As far as I'm concerned, this is not an issue for non-American Indians to weigh in on. It should be up to them to tell US how they want to be represented. Jeez, if it's such a small detail, why can't we just give it up???
    I'll second that. After taking away their homeland and livelihoods, are we also going to tell Native Americans that they have no right to be offended when a bunch of white college kids co-opt their image and ceremonies?

    Illinois is not exactly a hotbed of sensitivity when it comes to names for team mascots. Pekin (IL) High School's teams used to be called the Chinks.

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