As some/many of you know, there has been extensive unrest in Iran related to the outcome of their recent presidential elections.
Discuss.
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As some/many of you know, there has been extensive unrest in Iran related to the outcome of their recent presidential elections.
Discuss.
And, as you have opened this thread perhaps you would like to start and share with us your own thoughts on the unrest in Iran.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reggie
"Discuss" ???
This isn't high school. :rolleyes:
Ok.Quote:
Originally Posted by gini
I personally think that their government is being very oppressive over their people. Protests should be allowed, as long as they do not turn violent.
Ya think?? So what else is new? So how do you propose that it can be changed?Quote:
Originally Posted by Reggie
Now, we have to look at how the protests affect their government, the people protesting and the effect on their place in the world view.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reggie
I want to see an overthrown government there. The kids doing the protesting are willing to die for the cause.
A real wake up call to the 'protestors' at the "G" gatherings all across the world. They really don't care about their world, they just need a reason to get together and burn stuff to the ground.
The protestors in Iran are willing to die for a change in government. More than the idiots who protest whales, oil and animals are willing to give to their cause.
My husband was born in Iran. I went in 1999. I never met more gracious people, friend, relatives and strangers. I think people have had the wrong idea about Iranians for a long time. I didn't meet one person that didn't like Americans, they had issues with the government here getting involved in things so I do think our government needs to stay out of it for that reason.
Even then people had there ways of rebelling, it reminded me of kids having overly strict parents, they found ways of doing what they wanted. I had a niece in high school, every school book had a picture of the eyatollah on the front (which is the back to us) she drew horns on his head...hehe. My husband was afraid for her but that type of rebellion was just normal for them.
We would get in taxi's and the driver would see I was American so he would crank up the music, which was illegal. Many parties with dancing and mini skirts, also illegal.
I am hoping and praying for the people of Iran, its time for the idiots to be thrown out.
A good mini skirt and music?Quote:
Originally Posted by caseysmom
I am there!
I worked with a wonderful, beautiful woman who was from "Persia"- at the time the hostages from the American Embassy had come home and we just could not separate the fools in power from the people, underfoot.....so, many Iranians played the "Persia" card.
I really want to see the gov't. over thrown, I know, the idiot who takes over may not be as good as the idiot he replaces, but the people in that country need change.
I wish them the all the best in their struggle and hope it happens with the least amount of blood shed and pain.
They deserve a way better government than they currently have.
We started dating during the hostage crisis...many dates consisted of watching Larry King live...can you believe he has been around that long.
Many things in their culture are referred to as "persian" like the food, the rugs, etc. They have been called Iran since 1935 but I think for many of them they are "persian", that is their heritage.
Your beau or Larry?;):DQuote:
Originally Posted by caseysmom
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There were many intolerant, ignorant people at the time who did not or could not, take the time to separate the people from the government in Iran.:(
ummm both! :D:eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by RICHARD
Jimmy Carter should already be in Iran apologising for mettling in their affairs in the late 70s.
Obama needs to strongly condem the Iranian gov for their handeling of the election and protests. Obama should also back Israel financialy and politicaly in protest of Irans actions.
I graduated from college in 1981 and the Iranian students at that time were very defiant and anti-American, even holding their own protests (and flag burning session). I guess they were caught up in the revolution. BUT they seemed to live a life contrary to their principles - drinking, smoking and having promiscuous sex with American girls. BUT DOESN"T THAT SOUND LIKE JUST ABOUT MOST OTHER COLLEGE YOUNG MEN OF THE TIME - and probably now. I think that once the novelty of the power shift wore off and the effect of a secular government running things took hold, many secretly longed for some of their now lost freedoms. Maybe a generation or two of disenchantment has set in, and they are ready for a change again?
That's it??? :confused: Since you wanted a discussion, I thought you would have more input than a 2-liner. That's not much of a discussion - if any! :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Reggie
I am sorry for the people of Iran. It must be terribly frustrating (slight irony here) to believe your election outcome was not what it should have been. When you think what that country has been through...takeovers, violence, oppression - and wanting to make a change and have that snatched away.
But...there are many countries in the world where free elections are denied and people oppressed. The US has some bad history meddling in the affairs of other countries -- especially Iran. I believe we must be VERY careful in our response to the situation.
The butthurt and false frustration has been strong in this thread.
Reagan, Bush, and Bush would have stood up and called for the Iranian elections to be open and fair. Obama has done what, said he was disappointed?
Carter would have at least helped count the crooked ballots.
When the Iranian nuclear question comes into play, hopefully Obama will continue to keep his mouth shut and let Israel take care of business.
And now Honduras. A sad state of affairs for election results these days!
Except Honduras is not about an election... It is about a President who is trying to violate their Constitution. It says a President is limited to two terms. The current guy is trying to run for 3, ala Chavez. The military "coup" was ordered by the Honduran Supreme Court, with support from their Congress. Simply put, they are trying to defend their Constitution from a person trying to become a dictator. Hondurans know what being ruled by a dictator is about, they would rather not have it again I reckon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Edwina's Secretary
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124623220955866301.html
Funny that Madam Clinton and our President are speaking out against this attempt by the people to defend their Constitution. Funny, but not surprising.
As long as my president shows up on a Monday morning for a new conference and assures me that he's at the WH doing his job, I think I can look forward to hitting Friday at the end of the week because he said so.
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Also, the BO regime thinks it's better to toss out a "deeply disappointed" comment now and then- to cover their rears, ya know?
Technically, we cannot do anything about the probs in Iran. That FW Adam Mini Jab keeps with the "Meddling U.S.!" I'd love to see him try and out run a 500 pounder-does he want us to meddle?
IT's the same old story-we get another prez who can't balance foreign affairs AND his country.
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A strong rebuttal of the election and what the government was doing to the protestors would have been as effective as keeping 'our' mouths shut. But we aren't into regime change and stuff like that.
Hey,
People are getting slaughtered in the street! WHere are the human rights FWs? Nope, it's only murder when it's an American Bomb or Bullet.
Iranian firearms do not count.
:D:D:D
I guess if you think it is okay for a supreme court to install a president without regard to the electorate you must think it is okay for a supreme court to uninstall a president without regard to the electorate!
:D:D:D
Although I think a bunch of judges sending a bunch of masked goons to remove a president in his jammies must epitomize an....drum roll please...
Activist Court
if ever I heard of one.
And poor, poor Honduras...the world just cannot work up the enthusiasm for the protesters there!
If it were just the court.... sure. But with the support of the Congress (aka, the PEOPLE)....Quote:
Originally Posted by Edwina's Secretary
Masked goons? LOL. Drama much? Its the only way you people can get what you want. Drama. Spin. Out of context interpretation of speech. Keep swinging. The people are waking up, bad for you and yours I suppose.
There you go AGAIN ES.... Supporting the things we all know you would "enjoy". Sweet. The people be danged....
FWIW, I get what you are saying about the Court "appointing" a President. (Sad for you though, the Honduran court is simply upholding their Constitution.) I am with you on this one. We would have been better off with OUT having GWB as a President. Would Al Gore been any better?
Any time a government has to impose its will and suppress the voice of its people using the army at gun point - it is a sad day for that country and its people whether it be in Iran, Ludlow Colorado, or Honduras.
I have sympathy for the soldiers. Surely they struggle to shoot their own countrymen?
My point was and my point remains - the people of Honduras who are protesting deserve the same support as those in Iran.
Perhaps we have different understandings of what is going on? As I understand it, the current President's term was to end in September. He was maneuvering to circumvent their Constitutional limit on 2 terms for a President. Apparently, their Constitution gives the Congress the ability to use the military inside the country to protect against these things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Edwina's Secretary
AFAIK, soldiers are NOT shooting civilians, they are simply carrying out the order from the Congress and Supreme Court to remove the current Executive from power. Yes, that is harsh and possibly not right... But then again, Honduras has experience with dictatorships and its possible they would go to extreme lengths to preserve the freedom they currently enjoy. Just like our Founding Fathers did.
Imagine what might happen here, should at the end of a possible 2nd term Barack Obama declared he was running again, in clear violation of the 22nd Amendment. From what I read, this is exactly what is happening in Honduras.
As for Iran, I agree with you. :eek: I actually think our President made a good move by NOT speaking out harshly at first. But I doubt he was silent for the same reason that i think was wise. Iran is already ruled by a dictator(s). Speaking out harshly and getting world opinion strongly against Iran means the current regime cracks down, hard, and crushes what is the first spark of the fire of revolution. As it stands, the people of Iran are perhaps begining to see.... And to unite. We certianly should support them in any way possible, but not "open handed", so to speak. Any open actual support would not end well I think.
Honduras is different however.... They are trying to PREVENT a dictator from taking over. They are acting to preserve their Constitution. Funny that our "leaders" are speaking out against this so fast.
The courts took this action because of what the president might be going to do rather than what he did do.
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Soldiers fenced off the area around the presidential palace, where security forces used tear gas and water cannons Monday against Zelaya supporters, injuring and arresting dozens.
Same song - different tune.Quote:
Some local television stations remained off the air and local media carried few reports of demonstrations in Zelaya's favor, apparently under government pressure.
Since ES likes to pick and choose from new stories Ill do the same.
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The interim president named by Congress, Roberto Micheletti, said Zelaya could be arrested for violating the constitution if he returns. He also said he would not resign no matter how intense the international pressure on Honduras becomes.
Not sure if this is the source ES used for her quotes but it is an AP piece, link.