Rex Murphy: Testing America’s tolerance

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Originally Posted by lizbud

I don't know how much the Islam culture is influenced by it's religion,
but I'd say a lot. In fact, I can't distinquish between their culture and their
religious views. Maybe they are just not a compassionate people in the
Western way of thinking.??

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The culture and the 'government' are way influenced with the tenets of the religion.

Where else on the planet would the people in charge let a 'court of law' sentence people to be killed with rocks.

Someone posted the line about the people who were doing the rock tossing not use big rocks because it would kill the 'criminals' too quickly.


Like, Who are we to talk?

We make sure a death row criminal will not commit suicide and we use clean needles to put them to death?

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Let's just hope no moron flies a plane into the mosque when it's finished.:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by RICHARD

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Let's just hope no moron flies a plane into the mosque when it's finished.:rolleyes:

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When first reading about the intention to build there, I thought to myself,
how long after it's built will someone wait to blow it up? Not long, I'll bet.

Here's my view of the whole thing?

The morons that pulled off 9/11 were looking to send message to the U.S.A.

The week before 9/11 there was a short piece on the tube and in the paper about some Whack Job D Bags who blew up these huge stone "idols" in the Middle East, because they had outlawed the worship of any other god besides allah.

Hokay......THAT makes sense!:eek::rolleyes:

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They assasinate a cat name Massoud? Then decide to take a dump in New York and Washington.


And we stood up and said "Let's Roll...."

We rolled, but we measured a response to the group of people that only listen when you knock them down, stand over them, punch them very hard in the kisser then whisper into their ear, "Dude DO NOT MESS WITH ME AGAIN. I will come back and go berserker on your sorry arse. Understand?"

Naw, we just go visit and toss up some rules, very much like the game we played in SE Asia in the 60's. We didn't lose, We just stopped playing.

Had we dealt with the FWs with the same kind of predjudice that 19 guys used on 9/11 or all the times when we have to, and in a sense still do, put up with some scumbags that catch up with a innocent aide worker or innocent bystander and chop THEIR heads off?

We would be the baddest Mama Jammers And Still The Reiging World Champions on the face of the planet.

Noboby be asking to build no mosque or any of that nonsense in my or your 'hood. Seriously, Get the ---- out of here before I slap your stupid head.


We just stand around tolerant, and all the while Three Bin Salad and Joe Bin Momma kinda smirk and think to themselves, "Look at these -------, We wouldn't put up with that ---- back home."

They woke us up and when they saw they cannot win every battle?

The come back to town and try to make us believe that this corrupt idea will promote understanding between the east and west?

I do have a bridge in Brooklyn, cheap....



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We allow this because that's the way were are - tolerant to the point of being vulnerable....Loving the freedom of religion, speech and walking around with our heads up our posteriors.

My mom had a saying for the people she thought were so nice and well meaning that they would fall for any kind of scam....

XXXXX is so nice, that he/she doesn't serve any purpose!

Sometimes I think that of the people who run the country.

They are afraid to comment or act on any info, or haven't the guts to pull aside a soldier who is acting the fool and deter him from shooting up an army base....Nope, instead we are worried about his jack hole getting the paycheck the Army owes him AFTER he goes off his rocker.

Moron.

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No, no faceplant for this kid, the sound you hear is of me banging my head on the door jamb. UGH.

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Originally Posted by RICHARD

The culture and the 'government' are way influenced with the tenets of the religion.

Where else on the planet would the people in charge let a 'court of law' sentence people to be killed with rocks.

Someone posted the line about the people who were doing the rock tossing not use big rocks because it would kill the 'criminals' too quickly.


Like, Who are we to talk?

We make sure a death row criminal will not commit suicide and we use clean needles to put them to death?

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Let's just hope no moron flies a plane into the mosque when it's finished.:rolleyes:

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Geez Richard lets not give anyone any crazy ideas now. :eek: Put on a helmet when you bang your head that way you won't hurt it. :D

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Originally Posted by Bonny

Geez Richard lets not give anyone any crazy ideas now. :eek: Put on a helmet when you bang your head that way you won't hurt it. :D

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Too late.:D;)

Just saw some interview on the K Olbermann show.

(This dude is pretty funny...)

And I thought about THIS......

You are free to worship any god you want.

BUT, all the 'rules' do not mention anything about zoning laws.

so, draw them up and 'zone' them out.;)

The Islamic group behind this idea to build this cultual center say
they wish to promote good will between Americans & the Islamic community.
If they want to do a better job of it, they should change the location.
I think most people would be surprised & impressed by changing the location
instead of just insisting on their "right" to build where they want.


Do they have a constitutional right to build it, yes. Is it a good idea to
forge ahead with their plans, no matter what the people of NY feel about
it? No, it's sure to harm their own stated goals of improving relations &
understanding between Islam & America.

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Originally Posted by lizbud

Do they have a constitutional right to build it, yes. Is it a good idea to
forge ahead with their plans, no matter what the people of NY feel about
it? No, it's sure to harm their own stated goals of improving relations &
understanding between Islam & America.

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I think they have the right to practice a religion.

But, I think that building and zoning laws are local laws.

Building and zoning are local laws, however, the right to freedom from government interference in practicing one's religion overrides zoning laws. They cannot simply state "No mosques in X radius around the WTC site"

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Originally Posted by Lady's Human

They cannot simply state "No mosques in X radius around the WTC site"

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Oh, thanks, I really suck at algebra......:confused::(

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Originally Posted by Lady's Human

Building and zoning are local laws, however, the right to freedom from government interference in practicing one's religion overrides zoning laws. They cannot simply state "No mosques in X radius around the WTC site"

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Not saying that NY should do that, but it would make an interesting
case in court. All cities have zoning laws that forbid specific tyes of buildings
or businesses from certain areas of the city. Banning them from building in
a specific area, does not infringe on their right to build & worship(whatever)
in another location.

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Originally Posted by lizbud

Not saying that NY should do that, but it would make an interesting
case in court. All cities have zoning laws that forbid specific tyes of buildings
or businesses from certain areas of the city. Banning them from building in
a specific area, does not infringe on their right to build & worship(whatever)
in another location.

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Yes, but a change in zoning laws at this point would be a blatant violation of the first amendment.

Had the ordinance been in place prior to their purchase of the property, it would be different.

[QUOTE=Medusa;2289272] They say that it should promote compassion and understanding and should build a bridge between their culture and ours./QUOTE]

Ah right.
So who is going to be stupid enough to believe them ????
Not me. ;)

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Originally Posted by Medusa

They say that it should promote compassion and understanding and should build a bridge between their culture and ours./QUOTE]

Ah right.
So who is going to be stupid enough to believe them ????
Not me. ;)

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You're halfway around the world. How, exactly does this affect you at all?

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Originally Posted by wombat2u2004

You're halfway around the world. How, exactly does this affect you at all?

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It doesn't..........but you know, just like you, I have freedom of speech.