McDonald's Baltimore beating

[Catherinedana]

Hmm, yeah. He got one beating from those gals.
So where does the issue stand tho, given that it was a male in the ladies washroom ???

Please tell me that you don't really believe that someone should be beaten into convulsions because they are transgendered?

[Cataholic]

Let's presume for a moment that there is some rule that says employees are prohibited from being involved. At what point does your inner being recognize that you are a person first, THEN an employee? I simply could not stand there and do nothing. I know others could, as I have seen news reports of live footage, and people stand around and do nothing.

Sad.

[wombat2u2004]

Please tell me that you don't really believe that someone should be beaten into convulsions because they are transgendered?

No of course not. I'm assuming that the transgender was male.
What I'm saying is, why was a male in the womens restroom ????

[IRescue452]

I watched the video so let me answers some comments.

The transgendered human being was dressed as and looked female. Who knows if she was post-op or not? If post op then she was fully female. Before you can receive permanent surgury for gender change it is often required that you live as that gender for a certain number of months.

The restaurant was pretty empty except for an older lady who stopped the girls and yelled at them for a while before giving up and leaving.

The police were called by somebody or at least the workers told the girls police were coming.

A few of the workers got the girls (attackers) off this person several times and and soon as they thought it was over and the girls were leaving, the girls would bolt back over and start kicking and beating again.

I'm sure the almost nervous giggling heard by the male workers was just a reaction to what looked like a nasty cat fight. It looked like an area of the country I wouldn't want to live in. These guys have probably witnesses tons of girls dressed like tramps getting into cat fights. They may not have thought much of it at the time but they were yelling stop and trying to intervene through the whole video.

Its a terrible thing to happen but its clear that what I'm reading and what I saw on the video are two different things.

In the video of the victim on the news she looks like she's completed the process of gender change and does look a lot like a woman. She said one of the girls initially started the fight saying the victim was trying to "talk to her man". I'm wondering if this was a hate crime at all. Did they know this was a transgendered woman? Or was it just simply a fight over some crazed whore defending "her man"?

To be honest I'm getting the feeling it was just a brutal assault by some ghetto girls who were raised in a nasty, violent part of the country and it had nothing to do with the victim being transgendered.

[Catherinedana]

If s/he was transgender, then s/he wasn't male anymore. And if s/he was living as female and still had male parts, I'm sure s/he wasn't in the washroom flashing them about. The whole idea is to live as a woman. This isn't about sex and sexuality, it's about gender and identity, which no one should be judge on OR beaten for.

From reading the other posts (Medusa's esp.) it wouldn't have taken much for the girly-thugs to come up with some sort of excuse to beat anyone who had walked into that restroom. They just hit the jackpot here because there are some folks who will justify what they did because of lack of tolerance. That hurts my heart.

[Catherinedana]

I just watched the video. It was the most disgusting thing I have ever seen. Filming this poor person, no one helping. This was a disgrace. I'm ashamed to be part of the human race.

I better not see ANYONE on this website justify this beating for ANY reason!!! Abomination and sickening.

[Taz_Zoee]

I just watched the video. It was the most disgusting thing I have ever seen. Filming this poor person, no one helping. This was a disgrace. I'm ashamed to be part of the human race.

I better not see ANYONE on this website justify this beating for ANY reason!!! Abomination and sickening.

What do you mean "no one helping"? I saw several people step in and get the girls off of her numerous times. I don't know what more they could have done (other than start beating the crap out of the girls, then they would be as bad as those little punks). And we don't know who (or when) anyone called 911. Sure the guy filming the video was a jerk..but there were lots of people there. Several that did step in and several more that could (and must have) called 911. The only people to blame in this incident are those two girls.

What would you have done if you were there? I know I would have called 911 if someone else hadn't already. Otherwise, I wouldn't have tried to step in for fear of them turning around and punching or kicking me.

[Catherinedana]

She was sitting there holding herself after the girls backed off each time. . .sitting there ALONE!! Me, I would have been there with her. So would my husband, my family members, the members of my church and friends. She would NOT have been sitting there on the floor alone to wait for the girls to come back or whatever help was "supposed" to be coming. I've been is a situation like this, although not as horrible. Myself and another person took care of the person who had been hit while others blocked the man who hit her so he couldn't get her again.

THAT'S what I mean by HELPING!!

[IRescue452]

I'm not defending any of the onlookers or attackers because this WAS a brutal assault. However, I need to hear a comment about gender to believe this attack was motivated by hate crime. In one news report they said the boyfriend hit on the victim. Obviously he must have thought she was a she. Did anybody in the restaurant know she was transgendered? That's what I want to find out because if not, this was not a hate crime based on gender.

It could have been a race hate crime though. Black trash thinks how dare this white trash talk to my man?

[Taz_Zoee]

THAT'S what I mean by HELPING!!

Ok, just asking a question. No need to get upset. This is why I usually don't even post in threads that are in the Dog House. I should have not broken that trend.

[Alysser]

I recently learned in my AP Psych course of something called the "Bystander effect" where people pass up something like this because they assume that someone else will step in, it isn't their business, etc. They did several experiments, one where a girl was screaming that she was being kidnapped (it was fake, obviously) everytime someone passed by and it took hours for people to finally intervene. It really was terrible.

Would I have video-taped it? Of course not. Would I have intervened had I been there? I can't really say. I don't want to say I would have because I simply don't know. Of course it is a horrific act, and but I try not to say what I'd do, since I was never in the situation.

I don't think it's a matter of what restroom this person used, because frankly, I think it happened just because said victim was a transgender. I don't care what bathroom he/she was in, it doesn't justify what happened by any means.

Although, Wom, I totally see where you are coming from. Perhaps we will never know...but I feel as that if he really was flashing them, being inappropriate, etc we would know this by now. It STILL doesn't justify the beating when they could have simply come out of the restroom and told the manager. The cops would have come and arrested him..simple as that. There was no need for the way they acted. I know you don't condone it, I'm just saying.

[blue]

I recently learned in my AP Psych course of something called the "Bystander effect".

Also known as Liberalism.

[cassiesmom]

Since when is it ever okay to beat up someone inside McDonald's?? What is happening nowadays?

[Taz_Zoee]

I also watched the video (but without sound). I don't care what gender, color or sexual preference the person was.....they did not deserve to be beaten like this person was. There were employees (a manager and a regular employee) that broke it up several times. Then the customer that got involved...the victim grabbed on to her leg for help. That is so sad. Then the victim begins convulsing, after being dragged (by her hair) from the bathroom to the door at the front of the place.

I hope this video helps them identify those girls and they are punished. I didn't read if they did arrest the girls or not.

[wombat2u2004]

If s/he was transgender, then s/he wasn't male anymore. And if s/he was living as female and still had male parts, I'm sure s/he wasn't in the washroom flashing them about. The whole idea is to live as a woman. This isn't about sex and sexuality, it's about gender and identity, which no one should be judge on OR beaten for.

No. That is only an assumption. How can you be sure that this person wasn't in the washroom flashing them about ??? How can you be sure that this person was complete as a transgender ??? Just because he says he's transgender, and dresses in that manner means nothing.
We don't have enuf info here.
Correct me if I'm wrong here.....but in that movie I seen what appeared to be hair on the floor during that fight, as the victim was being dragged along.
Was this the victims hair that was pulled out ?? Or was it part of a wig ??
And if it was part of a wig, why a wig ??? If the man is seriously a transgender, then why a wig ??

There are too many unanswered questions here. We just don't know what really went down. As Mary said, yeah, those girls could have been troublemakers, but they also could have been victims once themselves, or their siblings, kids whatever, could have been molested at a young age by a man in a womens restroom dressed as a woman ??? Possible ??? Or impossible ???

Maybe Elyse has the right solution, let them go into a family washroom.

I don't condone what happened, I don't like to watch anyone get beat up, but I'd like to know what really went down. That way we all could come up with some substantial opinions.