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Oh yes - agreed 100%. You probably remember a thread of mine about the psycho dog running loose - well I finally had to delete it because of the totally uncalled for comments being made by this 19 year old know-it-all - the one who has been there and done that and knows all about that - no matter what the subject matter.Originally Posted by *LabLoverKEB*
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Silly trolls pt's 4 ppl.
Mmm no only when it comes to dogs..Oh yes - agreed 100%. You probably remember a thread of mine about the psycho dog running loose - well I finally had to delete it because of the totally uncalled for comments being made by this 19 year old know-it-all - the one who has been there and done that and knows all about that - no matter what the subject matter.
BARK!
I'm sorry, but I find a few things wrong with your statements. First of all your dog should not be deciding who it needs to protect you from. It is not up to the dog. Otherwise your dog may judge that you are in danger when you are not (as happened) and act inappropriately. If you feel like you need a dog for protection then you should be sure to train it accordingly. Protection dogs don't just fly off the handle, they are under the control of their owners.
Also, while you do need to protect your dogs, friends should feel like they can come to your house without the risk of being bit. Unless of course the "friend" is provoking the bite in which case who needs a "friend" like that.
No one can ever know everything about dogs. Or anything for that matter. There's always more to discover. Once someone thinks they know it all, they close themselves off to learning.
*Thanks Ashley*
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I appreciate how several of you backed me up on this, I really do. Thank you.
NO ONE knows EVERYTHING there is to know about dogs, or ANY subject for that matter. I actually know quite a bit about dogs, cats, psychology, and veterinary medicine, but I don't know it all. I know veterinarians who have taken their own animals to another veterinarian for answers. Same with animal trainers. Doesn't matter who you are or what education you have behind you, you don't know everything there is to know. Point blank. I am 19 years old as well, and I am getting my RVT license within the year. Even when I have my license, specialize in anesthesia, and am the head technician, I still will not know everything. I am using myself as an example, but this applies to everything, really.
It saddens me to see you snap at people so sharply.
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That speaks volumes of what an education can do for a person, thanks for the very intelligent humble post.I appreciate how several of you backed me up on this, I really do. Thank you.
NO ONE knows EVERYTHING there is to know about dogs, or ANY subject for that matter. I actually know quite a bit about dogs, cats, psychology, and veterinary medicine, but I don't know it all. I know veterinarians who have taken their own animals to another veterinarian for answers. Same with animal trainers. Doesn't matter who you are or what education you have behind you, you don't know everything there is to know. Point blank. I am 19 years old as well, and I am getting my RVT license within the year. Even when I have my license, specialize in anesthesia, and am the head technician, I still will not know everything. I am using myself as an example, but this applies to everything, really.
It saddens me to see you snap at people so sharply.
don't breed or buy while shelter dogs die....
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Pomtzu, PM me an update. I was wondering what happened & couldn't find the thread. Hope all is well, it WAS an important thread.Oh yes - agreed 100%. You probably remember a thread of mine about the psycho dog running loose - well I finally had to delete it because of the totally uncalled for comments being made by this 19 year old know-it-all - the one who has been there and done that and knows all about that - no matter what the subject matter.
Do what I do.. Ignore her, tell her you don't want to converse with her. Works for me (so far). If she continues, block her.. if you can't see what she types, then she can't bother you
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I know people aren't going to like my opinion on this dog (not talking about puppies) bitting matter, so please bear with me & don't hate/flame me too much. If a dog will bite randomly like that, its a dead dog. I have no tolerance for random bitting dogs. If there was a reason, then that is a totally different story. I also don't care what size the dog is, big or small.. Random bitting is random bitting, & random bitting = a trip to the rainbow bridge.
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I strongly disagree with your statement.A random bite does not mean the dog is doomed,There is so many options before you would ever have to come to a decision like that!Every animal deserves a chance,It makes me sick to my stomach when a dog is given up on too easily,Which you have done in the past.Maybe not put them down but you have given up animals for no reason.Pomtzu, PM me an update. I was wondering what happened & couldn't find the thread. Hope all is well, it WAS an important thread.
Do what I do.. Ignore her, tell her you don't want to converse with her. Works for me (so far). If she continues, block her.. if you can't see what she types, then she can't bother you
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I know people aren't going to like my opinion on this dog (not talking about puppies) bitting matter, so please bear with me & don't hate/flame me too much. If a dog will bite randomly like that, its a dead dog. I have no tolerance for random bitting dogs. If there was a reason, then that is a totally different story. I also don't care what size the dog is, big or small.. Random bitting is random bitting, & random bitting = a trip to the rainbow bridge.
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I don't know if that comment was towarded to me,Lacy and Maggy will not be put down because they nipped.I strongly believe Maggy was provoked,Maggy acts in no such manner anyother time.And she was not around when Lacy bit this friend,she was in the vet getting cared for.And for that matter Molly stood there when Lacy freaked out,and has not acted on it.
I have a behaviorlist that i have been dealing with since Lacy and Molly used to have there fights,And even she believes there has to be something about this friend.So we work with them to figure out what the problem is,looking for signs.By no means have they been given a lable.
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I understand your opinion, but "I" can't & wont risk anyones life/health with a random bitting dog, to me its irresponsible. If training works cool, but thats usually done while the dog is a puppy (0~3yrs of age).. if the dog is still doing random bitting after that, then the dog isn't trustworthy, sorry, its just my opinion on random bitting.
If your going to say things like that about me, you really should state what/who I gave up on?
Let me help you out..
All my pets:
Max (9yr old dog)- Murdered by my crazy mother. I'm not even going to go there, cause I will say something nasty.
Oscar (4yr old fish)- Spent 1k trying to save her, & put her down when all hope was lost. I tried!!!!
Jack (4yr old fish)- Jumped out of the tank, suffered a lot of brain damage & died a yr later. Doubt this one counts.
Sharkey (HUGE catfish)- Similar situation. He was a VERY powerful fish & suffered a lot of brain damage when he jumped out of the tank. There is so little you can do with some species of fish. I tried to find him a home but no one wants a fish that'll grow to 3' long.
Mango (4yr old fish)- Killed by a friend that was fish sitting him while I was homeless & living out of my car. I can't control what other people do. wish I could, but can't...
Cash (senior cat)- Had an eating distorter. I bought him medication, different foods, different feeding scheduals, & nothing was working. His disorder nearly killed Digi... I'm sorry. I'm not going to risk Digi's life. I tried my best with Cash, his stomach just couldn't handle the foods he had to be on in order to live in my house. I didn't throw him away, I gave him to a friend who Cat-sat for us. They loved each other so I gave cash to him... Cash is doing well on a type of food that can't be anywhere near Digi.
Gimpy (snake)- He was adopted. Last time I looked that was a good thing :P
Cockatiels - they were Adopted.
Digi (3yr dog)- Still have her & spend a fortune on vet bill due to her illness.
Cam (1yr cat)- Still have her
Lilly (4yr Tarantula)- Still have her
Axle (11yr Turtle)- Have had him since day one, & he's one heck of a handful!!
Realm (18yr turtle)- Had him for 2~3yrs now. great little guy.
Too many smaller fish & rescue fish to count, but some of my oldest ones are 7yrs old.
Mojo (1yr beta)- That was an accident. I still feel horrible he got sucked up by the filter. I wasn't thinking & I admit it was 100% my fault *cries*
Rats - Feeders.. uhhhh ya.. they were feeders.. enough said about them.
Cyriocosmus Perezmilesi (Bolivian Dwarf) spiderling - Got it less then a week ago. It'll be around for a good 20yrs (if its not a male) & I look forward to it.
Brachypelma Vagans (Mexican Redrump) spiderling - Got it less then a week ago. It'll be around for a good 20yrs (if its not a male) & I look forward to it.
I'm trying to think of any other pet I have owned in the last 10yrs (when I left the nest) but I can't seem to remember any more.. I really hope I didn't leave any out...
So I'm still not sure who/what you're talking about. I have run a mini Rescue since I was very young. I take in a lot of unwanted pets, or lost pets. I make sure they are healthy & when its time I adopt them out to loving homes. Some animals I get in I hope they'll become pets, but it doesn't always work out that way. Either someone wants it, I can't afford to keep it long term, or the species & I just don't mix. Oh & the odd time the landlord/super gets their say (annoying)... My current supers are great, they support what I do, so I can go over the legal limits & they don't care.
If I was directing anything towards you, I would have quoted you (like I am now) or directed it towards you by using your name.. I did neither of those, I actually quoted someone else.
Your dog was provoked, that is VERY clear, so its NOT random. Why you think I was directing anything towards you? I didn't quote you, I quoted someone else...
Silly trolls pt's 4 ppl.
I actually agree with this, I dont care what breed but if a dog bites maliciously for no reason it's done. I wont put up with a dog biting.Pomtzu, PM me an update. I was wondering what happened & couldn't find the thread. Hope all is well, it WAS an important thread.
Do what I do.. Ignore her, tell her you don't want to converse with her. Works for me (so far). If she continues, block her.. if you can't see what she types, then she can't bother you
***warning, non-popular opinion***If you comment on it, keep it CIVIL***
I know people aren't going to like my opinion on this dog (not talking about puppies) bitting matter, so please bear with me & don't hate/flame me too much. If a dog will bite randomly like that, its a dead dog. I have no tolerance for random bitting dogs. If there was a reason, then that is a totally different story. I also don't care what size the dog is, big or small.. Random bitting is random bitting, & random bitting = a trip to the rainbow bridge.
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I would do a blood test first though.
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I don't necessarily agree, or disagree with Lori's opinion. I am indifferent.
Blood test for what? Rabies? Unfortunately there is no blood test for rabies.
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Sadie & Rita (Forever in Our Hearts) (the Labbies)
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If the dog is sick or has a brain tumor then something should show up in the book work (or I would hope so). If something shows up then its not random biting, the dog has a reason.. It's sick..
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From what I've been taught, brain damage doesn't necessarily show up on blood work, but signs of neurological damage would be present.... But I'm not sure.
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Sadie & Rita (Forever in Our Hearts) (the Labbies)
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Hmmm... if the dog was dropped on its head & suffered brain damage I have no idea if that would show up in blood work.. but I always thought Cancer & Tumors changed something in the blood so it would alert to an issue of some sort.
Can you even check for neurological issues with dogs? I don't know how its done with people, so I'm totally clueless :P
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What do you classify as a "random bitting dog"? The Collie that nipped a stranger? There could be a number of factors contributing to that situation, making it FAR FROM a "random bitting". Take into account that people herding is a very common issue with herding dogs. Also, that these dogs tend to be aloof if not fearful toward strangers. He could be a perfectly nice dog... who is definitely being poorly handled (if the girl even allowed him room to touch a stranger period), who might have been spooked by a stranger standing in between a car door.
The thing that really stands out to me is the fact that the dog didn't flip out, bark, growl, snarl, or lunge for the OP's face. He quietly nipped the back of her knee. That is classic herding behavior. That is totally unfair to the OP... and I completely feel for her. But to say a dog like that deserves to die? Many herding dogs cope with their stress/fear issues by herding. Gonzo does it. He hasn't made anyone bleed or left a mark, but if a stranger scares him and is moving irradically, he will nip at their feet. It's terrible that the OP bled, but to me a dog who will nip cowardicely is not even comparable to a dog who will take a chunk out of some one. ALL this dog really needs is to be properly controlled and desensitized to people walking by him, if he has the issues that it sounds like he has. I think it's arrogant and just plain inhuman to sentence a dog to death for being afraid and irresponsibly handled.
My point is, what may seem completely random to you, probably does have a good reason behind it and probably did come with a warning. There are a few dogs out there who aren't wired right, and a lot of dogs who are either badly bred or badly handled and trained or a combination of the two. I agree that a dog who bites unprovoked is dangerous; however, it sounds like this wasn't the first time he's done this, and that he's a fearful dog whose owners deal with it by muzzling him and don't even stop to check if the people he bites are ok. To me, this is an owner issue, not a dog issue.
As for what makes dogs bite... for me, it's about being as calm, predictable and non-threatening as possible. I work at a dog daycare and I have never been bitten. Everyone else has, even if it's just nips from herding dogs, who do that ALL THE TIME, perfectly friendly dogs who have trouble controlling their instinct. There's this one BC mix who has nipped everyone's butt repeatedly except for mine - everyone who steps into a playroom with her. I think I've just adjusted myself to moving in a non-livestock-like manner or something, with Gonzo.Gonzo has never herded me either. You can tell a lot from a dog's eyes. If they are staring at you like you're prey, or livestock, you need to do something to snap them out of it and/or be a completely unexciting statue. Body language is also huge. If a dog is tensing up, something needs to break that tension. I tend to "Shhh" (not in a Cesar Millan way), crouch down and turn my body sideways to a really stressed out dog. It calms them right down.
Last edited by bckrazy; 05-08-2010 at 06:24 PM.
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I think you answered your own question. I'm talking about "bitting" NOT "nipping". BIG difference. So I wont respond to the rest of your post.
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