Sex abuse in church

[Miss Z]

Maybe neutering (not a V.) Priests is the way to go. It generally solves other male mammals from getting sexually frustrated, as there are NO hormones to cause it. Seriously... What do Priests need them for anyways?

Now you mention it, routine castration has been part of many old religious divisions even up to the early 20th century, if I recall correctly. Perhaps they had it right in the past! It certaintly would be a rather fitting punishment for these priests, or indeed any serious sexual predator.

[king2005]

Now you mention it, routine castration has been part of many old religious divisions even up to the early 20th century, if I recall correctly. Perhaps they had it right in the past! It certaintly would be a rather fitting punishment for these priests, or indeed any serious sexual predator.

I think getting it done beforehand is the way to go. Once a priest has been a priest for 5yrs, its mandatory to have your nads removed.

I truly believe most of those priests never planned on harming anyone. Raging hormones will cause you to do sick evil things, EVEN if you are a good person.

Take my dad for example... he was starting to go down a very bad path before I was born, but luckily he saw what path he was going down & sought help right away. He saw a shrink to help, then had some surgery to help (after my sister was born) & went on medication to lower his drive greatly.

Please note, he didn't commit any crimes (no humans of any age were involved)s, but he was damn close. To this day it has haunted him. & because of what didn't happen I was subjected to horrible evils when I was 14yrs old. Its sooo much fun being lured into a room & then have 2 adults (mother & CAS) try to force you to say "daddy touched me"... If I wasn't a level headed stubborn child I would have caved & said whatever it took to get them to stop yelling at me. Sorry not gonna lie about something like that... but how many scared kids would?

Kinda makes you wonder how many false cases there really are out there...

My point is, is that my dad IS a good man, he's not a predator by far, but his hormones were going to make him one. So this is why I believe hormones control us more then we'd like to think.

Also look at a lot of the Priests that are doing the crimes, they are fairly old, no? & been trapped in a raging hormonal body for decades with no release, no? Ticking time bombs.

Doesn't the same sort of thing happen to many dogs that are tied up all their lives? After several yrs of nothing but confinement & isolation, the once friendly dog is now a raging psycho path.

Lets also look at Zoos. What happens when you put wild animals into small boring pens? They loose their minds & do abnormal things.

Lets look at circuses. What happens when you confine a wild animal to a tiny pen & force it to do stupid retarded things all its life? They loose their minds & become milling machines.

yes yes yes, they are very different situations, but just look what hormones & confinement & isolation does to a wild animal. Humans are animals, we ALL react very very similar & when we snap or go nuts, watch out, because we are also very smart animals, so we are good at hiding things.. kinda like a sick cat I suppose.

[pomtzu]

Being the civilized people that we are, I think that most people would find physical castration to be barbaric. I know that I would! Chemical castration however, is something to be considered. It is already in practice in some instances, but who has the power to decide: who-what-where-when and why. I don't see it becoming a routine practice to be used on sexual offenders - real or potential - any time soon - if ever.

[wombat2u2004]

Being the civilized people that we are, I think that most people would find physical castration to be barbaric. I know that I would! Chemical castration however, is something to be considered. It is already in practice in some instances, but who has the power to decide: who-what-where-when and why. I don't see it becoming a routine practice to be used on sexual offenders - real or potential - any time soon - if ever.

But what do we do with women who are guilty of the same abuse ????

[pomtzu]

But what do we do with women who are guilty of the same abuse ????

They can be altered chemically also........
It's pretty easy to throw a woman's hormones out of whack. Just ask any one of us who has experienced it naturally.

[wombat2u2004]

They can be altered chemically also........
It's pretty easy to throw a woman's hormones out of whack. Just ask any one of us who has experienced it naturally.

Is that true ????
My wife told me that once.
I think she was just trying to fool me

[wombat2u2004]

No, you can't neuter people because of the situation they are in.
Not unless they consent to it.
Where would you draw the line ????
The answers to the whole problem are simple..........
1. Allow priests and nuns to marry.
2. If individuals of a particular church are beyond the reach of the Common Law, then change that to ensure those who default are subjected to the same laws as everyone else in the community.
3. Increase the penalties for those who are found guilty of such crimes.
4. Ensure that the church pays adequate compensation to the victims.
(If the Catholic church has to pay out big bucks for every compensation case, then they will soon change their minds about protecting their own.)

Easy peasy !!!!

[pomtzu]

No, you can't neuter people because of the situation they are in.
Not unless they consent to it.
Where would you draw the line ????
The answers to the whole problem are simple..........
1. Allow priests and nuns to marry.

I think that you and I are the only ones here that see this as a very real and simple solution to eliminate a great deal of the problem in the Church.

[Asiel]

No, you can't neuter people because of the situation they are in.
Not unless they consent to it.
Where would you draw the line ????
The answers to the whole problem are simple..........
1. Allow priests and nuns to marry.
2. If individuals of a particular church are beyond the reach of the Common Law, then change that to ensure those who default are subjected to the same laws as everyone else in the community.
3. Increase the penalties for those who are found guilty of such crimes.
4. Ensure that the church pays adequate compensation to the victims.
(If the Catholic church has to pay out big bucks for every compensation case, then they will soon change their minds about protecting their own.)

Easy peasy !!!!

The only thing I can agree with here is No.1.

As for applying No.2 you can change the laws all you want and make them subject to the same laws as the community but it wouldn't change a thing because the churches would still protect them and the families of the abused would end up the victims again and again. I've been a witness to a few families who tried to seek justice and the threats they received from their church were unbelievable. And did you ever see an abused child decide to finally confide in his parents but cry and scream not to say anything because he was threatend to be cut up with a knife if he told?

No.3 doesn't apply because there are no penalties. the only penalty a guilty priest has ever received was to be changed from that parish to another where he continued his vile practices. and on and on.

No.4 might apply to a few priests but the ones who get off scott free outnumber the ones that are nailed and the little compensation the family receives is laughable considering those boys are scarred for life

In the area we live in there are numerous Catholic churches that have been sold because of lack of attendance, you can't keep a church open with no people supporting it.
We used to be faithful churchgoers until the lid blew off the whole thing. So they not only harm children but they destroy a lot of peoples' faith. Most of our relatives and friends don't attend church anymore.

Really don't know what the answer is but maybe letting nuns and priests marry would be the first step to take.

[wombat2u2004]

The only thing I can agree with here is No.1.

As for applying No.2 you can change the laws all you want and make them subject to the same laws as the community but it wouldn't change a thing because the churches would still protect them and the families of the abused would end up the victims again and again. I've been a witness to a few families who tried to seek justice and the threats they received from their church were unbelievable. And did you ever see an abused child decide to finally confide in his parents but cry and scream not to say anything because he was threatend to be cut up with a knife if he told?

No.3 doesn't apply because there are no penalties. the only penalty a guilty priest has ever received was to be changed from that parish to another where he continued his vile practices. and on and on.

No.4 might apply to a few priests but the ones who get off scott free outnumber the ones that are nailed and the little compensation the family receives is laughable considering those boys are scarred for life

In the area we live in there are numerous Catholic churches that have been sold because of lack of attendance, you can't keep a church open with no people supporting it.
We used to be faithful churchgoers until the lid blew off the whole thing. So they not only harm children but they destroy a lot of peoples' faith. Most of our relatives and friends don't attend church anymore.

Really don't know what the answer is but maybe letting nuns and priests marry would be the first step to take.

2 is quite possible,
3 and 4 would follow on.

[Cataholic]

2. If individuals of a particular church are beyond the reach of the Common Law, then change that to ensure those who default are subjected to the same laws as everyone else in the community.

Here, in the US, priests are NOT beyond the reach of the common (or statutory) law. I think most abuse statutes are now codified, rather than simply a result of the common law.