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I become so angry every time you MISREPRESENT this situation.

This couple had three children. The children were killed in a tragic accident. The mother was driving -- stopped on an exit ramp when she was rear-ended by a semi traveling at a high rate of speed.

The children were all killed.

Because of her age, remaining childbearing years and other medical consideration she, her husband and her doctors chose invitro.

Because of her age three embryos were implanted in the hopes of one healthy child. All three "took" and she was delivered of triplets.

They very much wanted to be parents. I do not think it was a "miracle" but rather a private decision and a medical outcome.

I do not know how I would feel or what I would do if my three children were killed and neither do you RICHARD. You do not know you would be "too heartbroken" to think of having more children.

And I think your statement that they should "move on and live a normal life" and to suggest they were after "replacement children" is disgusting.

However, very typical that you speak of "her" and what "she" did wrong immediately after complaining about people not holding fathers responsible.

If you actually read anything about this story you would know how often she and her husband have spoken of that their lives will never be the same and will always ache for the loss of the three children. But of course, you know better than they do.

And this statement...In-vitro is for the selfish...is the second most offensive thing you wrote.

Petty, jealous, sour, and yes...selfish.

The angry is strong with you.

[pomtzu]

The angry is strong with you.

Justifiably so IMO. I have to agree 100% - that the situation was misrepresented yet again. ES said exactly what I was trying to express a few posts earlier, however, she has a way with words that I lack.
Just the suggestion that the children of the ones that were lost in the accident were merely replacements, is so cruel, heartless and narrow minded. I found it to be quite offensive, and anyone that has children (and MOST who don't), would never believe it was the intention of having another child/children merely as a "replacement".

Total your car in an accident, and most likely you can replace it with one exactly like it. Would you even WANT to do the same with a child????

[Grace]

He's at it again -

Dr. Michael Kamrava, the in-vitro fertilization specialist responsible for Octomom, has over-impregnated another woman - this time with quadruplets.

This time a 49 year old, with 3 grown children, married for the 2nd time, and wanting a baby. Word is he implanted 7 embryos this time.

LINK

[DJFyrewolf36]

WARNING: This is a personal opnion, disagreement is bound to happen so lets leave it at that

I have lost a child. My first child was stillborn at full term. I now have a healthy, happy wonderful little boy that I love with all my heart. Do I think I was emotionally ready after my daughters death to have another child? No I honestly do not. The thought of getting pregnant again scared the ever living cr@p out of me. Would I have sought out a way to get pregnant again by any means? No I wouldn't have. For some reason God wanted me to have another child. For some reason God wanted to call my first child home. I believe everything happens for a reason. When a woman is impregnated to me it seems as if people are putting trust in science rather than God. THEY want a child right THEN so they take it upon themselves to make a decision that might not be best for the mother or the children involved. Conversely, I didn't want a child however I became pregnant and I learned from the situation. I count my child as a blessing, even doubly so because I was told I could never have children naturally again. My little boy wants for nothing and I will fight to the death to make sure it stays that way! This woman in my opinion does not want children for the joy of having children. She wants children for the joy of having attention. If she TRUELY wanted these kids, she would accept the blessings of others with humility and try her hardest to make sure she was giving each and every one of those kids the attention they deserve and need from their mother instead of parading around like a media whore (pardon my language but it fits).

Maybe not all in-vitro parents are selfish people, in fact I am sure of it. The ones that ARE selfish are those who do it simply for the attention they know having a child will get them. To me, there is something fundamentally wrong with this woman and the way she is presenting herself.

[Edwina's Secretary]

Maybe not all in-vitro parents are selfish people, in fact I am sure of it. The ones that ARE selfish are those who do it simply for the attention they know having a child will get them. To me, there is something fundamentally wrong with this woman and the way she is presenting herself.

I could not agree with you more. The Octomom is nuts. Plain and simple. I do not think she has enough self-awareness to realize how selfish her conduct is -- but it is.

However, to make ANY comparison to her and the couple who tragically lost their children is obscene.

I cannot help but wonder what kind of a "normal" life the OP thinks the couple will EVER live after losing their children. As you have so eloquently shown us the pain does not go away whether you have more children or not.

I am happy for you in your son...

[DJFyrewolf36]

I could not agree with you more. The Octomom is nuts. Plain and simple. I do not think she has enough self-awareness to realize how selfish her conduct is -- but it is.

However, to make ANY comparison to her and the couple who tragically lost their children is obscene.

I cannot help but wonder what kind of a "normal" life the OP thinks the couple will EVER live after losing their children. As you have so eloquently shown us the pain does not go away whether you have more children or not.

I am happy for you in your son...

I am honestly glad to see we agree on something Thank you for your reply! I can say from personal experience that there is no "normal" life after losing a child, none whatsoever.

[Daisy and Delilah]

WARNING: This is a personal opnion, disagreement is bound to happen so lets leave it at that

I have lost a child. My first child was stillborn at full term. I now have a healthy, happy wonderful little boy that I love with all my heart. Do I think I was emotionally ready after my daughters death to have another child? No I honestly do not. The thought of getting pregnant again scared the ever living cr@p out of me. Would I have sought out a way to get pregnant again by any means? No I wouldn't have. For some reason God wanted me to have another child. For some reason God wanted to call my first child home. I believe everything happens for a reason. When a woman is impregnated to me it seems as if people are putting trust in science rather than God. THEY want a child right THEN so they take it upon themselves to make a decision that might not be best for the mother or the children involved. Conversely, I didn't want a child however I became pregnant and I learned from the situation. I count my child as a blessing, even doubly so because I was told I could never have children naturally again. My little boy wants for nothing and I will fight to the death to make sure it stays that way! This woman in my opinion does not want children for the joy of having children. She wants children for the joy of having attention. If she TRUELY wanted these kids, she would accept the blessings of others with humility and try her hardest to make sure she was giving each and every one of those kids the attention they deserve and need from their mother instead of parading around like a media whore (pardon my language but it fits).

Maybe not all in-vitro parents are selfish people, in fact I am sure of it. The ones that ARE selfish are those who do it simply for the attention they know having a child will get them. To me, there is something fundamentally wrong with this woman and the way she is presenting herself.

Very well said. I loved reading it. I can tell it's straight from your heart.

[Grace]

If you really cared about these children, or anybodies children, we would be talking about this "stimulus" bill that is about to flush our kids future down the tubes.

The stimulus is being discussed here, here, and here.

Is it necessary to bring it into this topic?

[Edwina's Secretary]

The angry is strong with you.

You betcha! Arrogance, lack of compassion, hubris, misogyny...have that affect on me. And when they are all together in one post....

I forgot ignorance!

[caseysmom]

Now now ES be a good girl and don't question the men with guns!

And...just for you....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDOvgcAGOok

[Edwina's Secretary]

Now now ES be a good girl and don't question the men with guns!

And...just for you....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDOvgcAGOok

I have a theory about men with guns but that is for another thread...

Funny video...

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You betcha! Arrogance, lack of compassion, hubris, misogyny...have that affect on me. And when they are all together in one post....

I forgot ignorance!

Why is it I get the feeling if Richards name was Richardina you would have agreed with her posts?

I have a theory about men with guns but that is for another thread...

Im sure your theory is as insulting, belittleing and degrading as the rest of your theories and opinions of others who dissagree with you.

[Edwina's Secretary]

Why is it I get the feeling if Richards name was Richardina you would have agreed with her posts?



Im sure your theory is as insulting, belittleing and degrading as the rest of your theories and opinions of others who dissagree with you.

How droll....

Give it a try Blue. Post that this couple who chose to use invitro after their three children were killed made a choice that was right for them and NOT a sick replacement child thing. See if I agree with you? ;-)

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I missed this one.

How droll....

Give it a try Blue. Post that this couple who chose to use invitro after their three children were killed made a choice that was right for them and NOT a sick replacement child thing. See if I agree with you? ;-)

Droll?

If a couple who just lost their three kids, uses invitro to have 3 more kids, as tragic as the situation may be, without any other knowlege of the family history, I would call that replacing the three dead children.

I didnt call it sick, in fact I could allmost maybe understand the reasoning behind it, but I would still call it replacement.

Even if you ever even remotely agreed with me on anything, I doubt you would admit to it.

ETA: I could even see a dad who just lost his three children push his wife to have invitro to replace the kids he tragicaly lost.

[pomtzu]

I missed this one.





If a couple who just lost their three kids, uses invitro to have 3 more kids, as tragic as the situation may be, without any other knowlege of the family history, I would call that replacing the three dead children.

I didnt call it sick, in fact I could allmost maybe understand the reasoning behind it, but I would still call it replacement.



ETA: I could even see a dad who just lost his three children push his wife to have invitro to replace the kids he tragicaly lost.

That's idotic - blu. I know for sure that you don't have any kids, the same as Richard! You CAN'T EVER replace a child that has been lost.