McCain/Palin ???

[Miss Z]

My turn to roll my eyes at you.



I said own DNA, as in different. As in different DNA than the mother. Thus, to me, it is a separate human life and not just a 'gob of cells' inside the mother. And come on... Give me a LITTLE bit of credit. Or, should I thank you for pointing out the glaringly obvious?

As for the crying thing.... Well, nearly everybody here thinks I am some kind of monster, so I will just play my part.

Why do so many people on this BB take everything to literally? Can none of you see sarcasm? Or only when it is the kind said during something you agree with?

What is it that you would like credit for? Your opinions? Or that you don't equate cells of the body to a very young foetus?

As for the sarcasm thing, I used sarcasm right here.

I don't feel terrible if I shake my head and wipe out tens of thousand of them in the space of a few seconds.

So yes, thank you, I like and do understand the concept of sarcasm.

Maybe my sarcasm and your sarcasm are different, because all I saw in your reply to Marigold was spite.

The monster thing - is it supposed to make me feel sorry for you? I was quite vexed by that. It's a shame you feel you have to present yourself in that way. People meeting me in person for the first time could, and have, gotten the impression that I'm common and not much more than a young face. It doesn't mean I try to conform to that image that is so opposite to the real me. Sorry, but you lost me on that one.

I will now back out this thread for I have no further contribution on the trials and tribulations of US politics, and I don't want to get too off topic from the OP.

[Bonny]

You are a Brit! Why should you be concerned about how we Americans vote or feel about our candidates? This is a free country we all have our separate opinions to the issues at hand & will vote accordingly when the time comes. May the best qualified black, white, male, female, democat, republican, WIN. Oh I love my country the U. S. A. Land of the free home of the brave!!!

[Miss Z]

OK, sorry people, I do have to post one more time () because I feel this may be constructive to the thread.

You are a Brit! Why should you be concerned about how we Americans vote or feel about our candidates? This is a free country we all have our separate opinions to the issues at hand & will vote accordingly when the time comes. May the best qualified black, white, male, female, democat, republican, WIN. Oh I love my country the U. S. A. Land of the free home of the brave!!!

Ooook.

Nice of you to pour all your patriotism down my throat.

I happen to love my country too - land of Harry Potter and Leona Lewis.

My country is also free; I'm sorry your knowledge of the world is so limited that you did not already know that. If you have ever been to the UK and experienced our culture, perhaps then you would realise the startling differences between our political systems, and why sometimes I find it difficult to grasp America's way of thinking. My bad entirely.

Also perhaps if you knew anything of British PC, you would know that anyone who dared to bring race or religion against a candidate would have their head on the block instantly. We are the most ridiculously PC nation in the world. Heck, you can get in trouble over here for ordering a 'black' coffee! So I am afraid you are mistaken if you took my post as an insult to Barack Obama.

Please point out to me where I tried to change someone's opinion about their preferred candidate, or where I claimed I knew how your political system should be running.

I'm 16 - I haven't yet gained enough experience of politics in my own country to dare to challenge that of someone else's.

I initially replied to this thread as I was shocked to see a vehement reply, and I thought I should inquire about the 'fear' comment to make the post relevent to this topic.

OK, finally onto the bit which I think is useful to the thread.

Why shouldn't I be concerned with how America votes?

You are, are you not, an ally of Great Britain, fighting with us in Iraq and Afghanistan?

You are, are you not, one of the top economic powers in the world?

You are, are you not, a nation which could help to pull us through climate change?

You believe that I should be unconcerned to how America votes? Eesh, I'm almost as concerned about how you lot vote as I am how we vote in Great Britain! Get it wrong and the whole world can be in catastrophe!

Do not think that because the majority of people on this board are from across the pond that I should feel I have to exclude myself from their discussions, Bonny. I have as much right as you to post on whatever topic I like. So what if I want to read threads like this and learn about how things work over there? Where is the problem in that?

[Puckstop31]

Also perhaps if you knew anything of British PC, you would know that anyone who dared to bring race or religion against a candidate would have their head on the block instantly. We are the most ridiculously PC nation in the world. Heck, you can get in trouble over here for ordering a 'black' coffee! So I am afraid you are mistaken if you took my post as an insult to Barack Obama.

If that is how you define 'freedom', I want nothing of it.

[sasvermont]

Adding.....

[Puckstop31]

Adding.....

LOL, I love how so many people on this BB just ignore the people they disagree with.

WEAK.

And stop... Your breaking my heart.

[Lady's Human]

It has nothing at all to do with being weak.

It as to do with realising the fact that this is first and foremost a PET discussion forum, and it's just not worth getting that upset over what are, to the purposes of this board, ancillary issues.

We're here for pets, not politics.

[Killearn Kitties]

You are a Brit! Why should you be concerned about how we Americans vote or feel about our candidates?

The economies of Europe and the United States are inextricably linked. That makes it of interest to us who America elects.

[Karen]

Remember, even in the course of political discussions, this is still Pet Talk, so keep things polite and safe for children to read.

And remember, often something intended as sarcasm can be misread - posts on an online board don;t have a "tone of voice" to indicate sarcasm, or facial expression to do so, so be careful what you type, and if you want something to be taken as sarcasm, you'd better add "meant sarcastically" after it to be sure.

[Alysser]

You are a Brit! Why should you be concerned about how we Americans vote or feel about our candidates? This is a free country we all have our separate opinions to the issues at hand & will vote accordingly when the time comes. May the best qualified black, white, male, female, democat, republican, WIN. Oh I love my country the U. S. A. Land of the free home of the brave!!!

And your point is? Maybe if Zara knew nothing on the subject in question, you could say something to her, but she obviously does. Who cares if she is british? Seriously, enlighten me. This is a public forum FOR PUBLIC opinions, excuse Zara for expressing her thoughts on a PUBLIC MESSAGE BOARD in a free country.

[Puckstop31]

What is it that you would like credit for? Your opinions? Or that you don't equate cells of the body to a very young foetus?

As for the sarcasm thing, I used sarcasm right here.

LOL. NO. I want you to think enough of my intellect so that you would not assume I do not know that EVERY living thing has its 'own' DNA. Are you following this now? Your original responce sounded to me like you were trying to inform me that everything has DNA. I know that. LOL

Oh, and if that was sarcasm.... I didn't get it.

Maybe my sarcasm and your sarcasm are different, because all I saw in your reply to Marigold was spite.

Well, thats good. Because there was supposed to be a little spite in my responce. Because IMHO, she said something very dangerous.

The monster thing - is it supposed to make me feel sorry for you? I was quite vexed by that. It's a shame you feel you have to present yourself in that way. People meeting me in person for the first time could, and have, gotten the impression that I'm common and not much more than a young face. It doesn't mean I try to conform to that image that is so opposite to the real me. Sorry, but you lost me on that one.

<sigh>

Did we just not discuss the whole sarcasm thing? No, I don't want you to feel sorry for me. LOL That is actually comical to think about.

I LIKE to present myself that way, HERE. Think of me as an actor playing a role.

[Miss Z]

Oh, and if that was sarcasm.... I didn't get it.

Fair enough, we don't understand each other, what's new?

Did we just not discuss the whole sarcasm thing? No, I don't want you to feel sorry for me. LOL That is actually comical to think about.

I LIKE to present myself that way, HERE. Think of me as an actor playing a role.

Once again I find it strange why you like to present yourself as that, but it's OK, I don't need for it to be related as acting to work out that perhaps being challenged gives you a thrill. Glad to have made your day!

I wasn't going to feel sorry for you anyway, so sorry I can't add some comedy into the mix. Gah, nobody's perfect, I suppose.

ETA:

If that is how you define 'freedom', I want nothing of it.

You are welcome to not have it?

I'm sorry I can't change some of the wrongs in my country for you.

[lizbud]

I like and do understand the concept of sarcasm.

Maybe my sarcasm and your sarcasm are different, because all I saw in your reply to Marigold was spite.

The monster thing - is it supposed to make me feel sorry for you? I was quite vexed by that. It's a shame you feel you have to present yourself in that way. People meeting me in person for the first time could, and have, gotten the impression that I'm common and not much more than a young face. It doesn't mean I try to conform to that image that is so opposite to the real me. Sorry, but you lost me on that one.

I will now back out this thread for I have no further contribution on the trials and tribulations of US politics, and I don't want to get too off topic from the OP.

Zara, do you know the game of Hockey? This guy has taken a few to
many pucks to the head. Just consider the source,ok? He's posting again
after a long absence & loves to argue just for the sake of arguement. This
is not to be taken seriously.

[kuhio98]

I'm just glad we can discuss politics here.

On another board, I posted my surprise (more like shock and awe) at McCain's choice for VP.
I never even considered our Govenor as an option. In no way did I attempt to pursuade anyone to vote for McCain. In no way did I imply that I supported -- or did not support -- this choice.

Another member posted that they could never vote for a person who hunted. I responded that many Alaskan's hunt -- and eat what they hunt and that though I don't hunt, my freezer is full of fish that I caught. And that I would never vote -- or not vote -- for someone based on one issue.

The board moderated posted that they would prefer there be no more political discussion. Sheesh!

You shouldn't judge the world based upon just your little corner of it. Half of Alaska's population does not live near a grocery store. Hunting is not against the law. Many Alaskan's hunt for subsistance. That may not be the norm in your area of the world.

With all the huge problems going on in the world right now, I can't imagine voting -- or not voting for someone -- based upon whether they hunted.

[Puckstop31]

Zara, do you know the game of Hockey? This guy has taken a few to
many pucks to the head. Just consider the source,ok? He's posting again
after a long absence & loves to argue just for the sake of arguement. This
is not to be taken seriously.

Awesome. Somebody gets me. LOL

This BB is so "nanny state", and absurdly PC is is almost comical. You all say it is "for the children". When you say that, a chill runs down my back. if you cared about the kids, you let them learn to fail. You would teach them that sometimes people will do and say things that 'hurt' them or that they disagree with. We need to teach them how to deal with that.

To bury their heads and hide it... The worst thing you can do.

I for one, will teach my daughter to be strong and to stand up and fight for what she believes in. Even if things get rough from time to time. It might not be the "prettiest" thing, but it is the truth and the truth has nothing to hide.

Now I know what you will say... Yes I was a bit harsh in one post here. But I MEANT for it to be. Does not any one else see how harmful equating legally harvesting game animals to MURDER is? Of course we shuld treat our pets with care. We should treat domestic farm animals humanely. We should care for and nurture nature. But to put wildlife on the same level as humans... That is just so like PETA. If that is true, we are ALL criminals because we own pets. If we OWN pets and they are on the same level as us, dose this not make us slave owners?

I'll leave ya all with this. I am not the big meanie I seem to be. I STILL weep for my Teddy. I weep when I think about my daughter and how she is growing up so fast. But I really weep when I see how weak willed we are becoming as a society. How wide open to nanny state fascism we are making ourselves. We are becoming fat and lazy. We look to someone ELSE for the answers to our mostly imagined problems.

So to tie this all back to the main point of this thread. I like Sarah Palin because she is none of the things I describe in the previous paragraph. She is a GOYA (get off you bum) kind of person. She is a person who tells you to look to your self to make your life better, because that is the only way it can REALLY happen. If you look to someone 'else' to make your problems go away, you make yourself nothing but a slave.

So put that in your "consider the source" pipe and smoke it.