Fahrenheit 911 - For those who've seen it

[Soledad]

I thought I'd start a thread for those who have actually seen the movie to discuss how they felt about it.

I saw it this weekend and was blown away. People can quibble about the little points with MM, but I wonder when they'll start applying that same skepticism to GWB. It always amazes me how people like to get all riled up about someone who has no real power and completely ignore the real issues.

MM isn't up for re-election, GWB is. And I'd like to know how people here at PT WHO HAVE SEEN THE MOVIE were affected by it.

Politics aside, I have never been so completely moved by a movie. I still feel quite raw afterwards. I really urge those of you who don't know where you stand and are confused by all the things going on around us to see this movie. It may help make sense of things.

Does anyone think there will be a big impact because of it?

[joycenalex]

i haven't seen it yet, however, i'll be catching it this week, so i'll be happy to provide my opinion later.

[RICHARD]

Originally posted by Soledad
I still feel quite raw afterwards.

Baby powder with corn starch helps.


I enjoyed the interview showing the soldiers talking about how they liked to kill people with their guns.

[RedHedd]

It really hit me in the gut. Afterwards I felt so betrayed, duped, lied to, manipulated ..... I found myself crying uncontrollably on the drive home. And how about that insurgent group in Fresno? Sitting around eating cookies -- yup the FBI really needs to shut them down .... NOT! I wish the election were this week.

[Edwina's Secretary]

I'm off to see it now. Will let you know.

[G.P.girl]

i'll probly go see it tonight. As a faithful democrat i've been waiting to go see it since it came out

[lizbud]

It's just opened this last weekend here. I can't wait to see it.

[Edwina's Secretary]

I just returned from seeing it. I needed complete silence for a while afterwards....

I have been opposed to our invasion of Iraq since the beginning and disbelieving of the administration's justification so I didn't share Redhedd's feeling of betrayal. Horror, disgust, shame.

I thought the first part.....the connections between the Bush family and the Bin Landin family a bit too "Oliver Stoneish" for me. Not so much the validity of it as the presentation.

As for the limp, dead, maimed bodies of infants and children....the faces of young women destroyed by napalm (yes...we still use it), the young men of our country blown to pieces...hard to look at, yes but necessary to distinguish war from video games as one soldier put it.

To contrast that with the clip of Bush....in white tails....saying... to a group at a fund raiser "Some would call you the haves. I call you my base."

The fact that only one, ONLY ONE, member of congress has a child in the military.

I recognize it as propaganda, but so is every newcast, every press conference.

I disagree with one thing you said Soleded. I widh this could be seen by every voter.... see the grieving mother standing in front of the White House who is told off by another woman, see the man who had the FBI come to his door because he questioned the invasion of Iraq, listen to the soldiers who don't understand why they are there.

Then vote.

[popcornbird]

I haven't seen it yet, but I did go out to buy some things last night, and passed by the theater, which seemed to be PACKED at the time. Seems like a lot of people are showing interest in it.

I really want to watch it, but we just moved and have SO much to do at this point. I'm thinking we can wait a while.......maybe until it comes out on DVD, but I definitely want to watch it, and hopefully will once we settle down and have more free time.

[Lady's Human]

Napalm? It would be difficult to use a weapon that the last of which was destroyed a year before the Iraq war. The US Does use incendiary weapons, and any nation which states that they don't lies. Currently the US Uses FAE (Fuel air explosives), but the last napalm was destroyed on 4 april 2004 in a widely publicized event at fallbrook station.

[Edwina's Secretary]

I'm curious how April 2004 is a year before the invasion? Bush declared "Mission Accomplished" in May of 2003?

[RICHARD]

Originally posted by Edwina's Secretary
I'm curious how April 2004 is a year before the invasion? Bush declared "Mission Accomplished" in May of 2003?

I think Lady's Human is off by two years.....

A the napalm was stored in a Fallbrook, Ca. munitions dump for disposal....The year was 2001.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/m...9_1n5bomb.html

(the one and four are close together on the keyboard.)

Napalm is a banned substance/weapon under the Geneva Convention (Us? with outlawed weapons????)

A FAE bomb looks like a naplam bomb because of the way it explodes, It's a two stage bomb.

In the first stage the bomb canister splits apart releasing a liquid which atomizies in the air. In the second stage a small explosive
ignites the mist causing the cloud to explode- it's the concussion that causes the damage to the target.


Napalm can be
compared to jellied gasoline. It ignites and falls to the ground -coating the target.

[Edwina's Secretary]

I thought Bush's attorneys had determined the Geneva Conventions don't apply to the U.S????:roll eyes:

So I'm hazy on which of our chemical weapons turns a person's face into a barely recognizable mass of liquified flesh?

[RICHARD]

Since Moore leaves out some facts that MAY make a difference in his Shockumentary, let's all sit down and learn.


The MK-77 is a napalm canister munition. The MK77 familiy is an evolution of the incendiary bombs M-47 and M-74, used during the conflict in Korea and the war in Vietnam. Napalm is an incendiary mixture of benzene, gasoline and polystyrene. The Marine Corps dropped all of the approximately 500 MK-77s used in the Gulf War. They were delivered primarily by the AV-8 Harriers from relatively low altitudes. During Operation Desert Storm MK-77s were used to ignite the Iraqis oil-filled fire trenches, which were part of barriers constructed in southern Kuwait.


So, we DID use naplam in the FIRST Gulf War.....which makes Moore's statement correct- but 13 years too late....the other little known fact is that the Mk 77 was also used to clear mine fields in the deserts of Iraq.

Again,

I don't mind Moore making a documentary.....

It's when you jump into an ice cream truck to get your message across......That's where I get lost.

[RICHARD]

Originally posted by Edwina's Secretary


So I'm hazy on which of our chemical weapons turns a person's face into a barely recognizable mass of liquified flesh?

Chemical weapons???

where and when???