a weight on this kid's shoulders.....

[RICHARD]

http://www.dailynews.com/Stories/0,1...?search=filter


Now here's another 'Is it fair?' or 'is it overkill?' topic..

[2kitties]

OH dear. Can't people just get over themselves. I have a sweater like that and I am perfectly comfortable wearing it even here in my office. There is nothing risque about it.
This girl has my support.
In school, there are knives, fights, guns, drugs, all kinds of horrible things. But these teachers are concentrating on an honor students Valentine's Day gift from her parents.

[ILoveReptiles]

Overkill.

[cali]

not to mention she had permission to remove the jacket after gym class because she was hot, she did as the councler said, she has permission from the faculty to remove the sweater temperarily so what on earth is the schools problem?

[mugsy]

I'm sure I will get slammed for my opinion, but, as an educator, I support the office. Amazingly, we JUST had this discussion today in our faculty meeting!

Here's why I support it. If it is in the dress code that open shoulders are not allowed, then she should have had to change clothes. If you have a policy and let it go, then the whole discipline program goes out the window because it becomes, well you don't do anything about this, so why should it be different for this....

My question for the family is this..."If you put her in a private school, she'll wear a uniform. Why not have her dress in that manner for school?" And the statement she'll be teased is tired. Also, who CARES if they donated a piano and a fax machine....so, it's ok to bribe your way into breaking a school rule.

We actually discussed the possiblility of going to uniforms to stop the misbehavior. All of us have noticed that the kids are becoming more and more unruly and dress whatever way they please...girls in jeans cut so low you can see their crack when they sit down and shirts so short you can see their bras and everything so tight that it leaves nothing to the imagination. Guys were their pants around their ankles and muscle shirts yada yada and don't make me go there with those stupid doo rags. We have a no hat rule, but they argue non the less and often it's sprinkled with a lot of profanity. A lot of this can be prevented when the staff and adminstration work together to make sure the rules of the school are followed. And this particular school has the rule and the girl needs to follow it period...or face the consequences fax machine or not. As for the teacher that allowed her to take off the jacket was wrong to allow it. Perhaps they didn't know that the shirt had no shoulders, but, she should have been told to put it back on. Now my other question is why is a 6th grader wearing a shirt like that anyway? But, that's another thread.

This is just the opinion of an educator that deals with crap like this everyday. I realize it seems small, but, when you let the small stuff go, then the big stuff goes too.

[catland]

the fact that the parents plan to sell the sweater on e-bay once this is all over kind of explains everything. Also, why did the mom want her to wear a code-violating piece of clothing to school?

Kids have always hated dress codes. Still, as long as the dress code is applied fairly - then she should have taken the lunchtime detention and called it a day.

[cali]

while I understand where you are comming from mugsy, its still the teachers fault for allowing her to remove the jacket! the girl did everything she was asked, and she got permission to remove the jacket, that is the TEACHERS fault NOT the girls. they asked her to put on her jacket, she did that, she was hot after gym, asked if she could take off the jacket for a bit the teacher said yes, so she did, as soon as she did she got in trouble for not putting on her jacket when she DID. she was only given the detention and such for not complying and wearing her jacket when she DID comply and where her jacket. that is all the fault of the school NOT the girl.

[mugsy]

Originally posted by cali
while I understand where you are comming from mugsy, its still the teachers fault for allowing her to remove the jacket! the girl did everything she was asked, and she got permission to remove the jacket, that is the TEACHERS fault NOT the girls. they asked her to put on her jacket, she did that, she was hot after gym, asked if she could take off the jacket for a bit the teacher said yes, so she did, as soon as she did she got in trouble for not putting on her jacket when she DID. she was only given the detention and such for not complying and wearing her jacket when she DID comply and where her jacket. that is all the fault of the school NOT the girl.

I'm going to respectfully disagree cali.....it's the parent's fault for allowing the girl to wear it and the girl's fault for wearing it to school in the first place. I did say that the teacher was wrong for allowing her to KEEP it off.

When it comes right down to it, we only know what is being reported by the press.

[Karen]

I think the blame rests entirely on the parents' shoulders, pun intended.

1. For giving their daughter a garmet that they had to know violated dress code.

2. For permitting - even encouraging - her to wear it to school

3. For making such a big stink about it - that makes it more traumatic for their daughter

4. For giving her an "out" of switching to a private school - which teaches her that responsibility can be avoided by running away.

Beyond the parents, blame can be equally distributed, but they literally "started it" and are "prolonging it."

[catland]

Originally posted by mugsy
When it comes right down to it, we only know what is being reported by the press.

yes - and since the press wants you to read/watch their news, they have to make you feel an emotion, in this case - outrage at an inflexible school system - and in order to feel that emotion they might choose to leave out annoying little facts that might stand in the way of this reaching the 6:00 news.


Important lesson in life for all students - life isn't always fair - and even though someone tells you its ok to do something, you can still get in trouble for it. You can whine or you can suck it up and move on. Too bad this girl didn't get this advice from her parents.

[RICHARD]

A caller to a local talk show spent 35,000 dollars
to fight a case where his son was suspended for for six months for wearing cargo pants to school..

A stiff penalty????

The dress code forbid that kind of attire because the pockets could be used to hide weapons...
The laywers the father hired finally got the child into another school in the same district-because
they argued that back packs could be used to transport weapons onto a campus.

The host asked the father why such a stiff penalty for such a small offense....

The father explained that the kid was suspended THREE times, the first time for one day.....
The second time for three days and the final time for six months..

The last two times came about because the FATHER INSISTED THAT HIS SON STAND UP FOR HIS RIGHTS..

I am all for people's rights, freedom of speech and all the other things that make life and the world spin in an orderly direction but.....

Here is the 64,000 dollar question....

Why bother to make any kid obey any school rule?

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Now translate that into an ADULT situation...

At one of our facilities a lenghty and detailed memo was drawn up about a dress code...

No fingernails over a certain length, no nose rings, no multiple piercings on ears..no thong underwear and no colored/printed undies (For all nurses!)....no multihued hair styles and no crop tops..

One gal would show up with a pair of scrubs on and a crop top w/a sweater over it....her reasoning?

I work hard to get a stomach like that!

She wasn't pleased when they asked her to put on a scrub top and tuck it in.
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I remember teasing girls about wearing a bra-I went to a school where we wore uniforms and the best part was the late spring-early summer waterfights.....HUBBA HUBBA...those were the good days.....

I think that they school district should have rules like that in place, It protects the gals and guys from themselves and the school districts from getting sued when kids cannot control themselves..

I am amazed that the parents, who obviously care enough to volunteer and support the daughter in her academic years, are so inflexible and unwilling to support the school and the rules.

[mugsy]

From what I am gleaning from the article is that the parents are probably those that yell and complain when something happens to their daughter, but, because they volunteer and donate stuff to the school that whatever their daughter does is just fine.

These parents are teaching this girl a fine lesson now aren't they?

I agree with Karen, although the girl needs to take responsibility for her actions also. I still wonder why the parents would buy that kind of sweater for a 6th grader anyway. Hello!!! And they wonder why kids are so sexually active today...it starts with the attitudes that pervade our society and the clothes that are now acceptable. 30 years ago the mini skirts were the scourge, but now, the mini skirt is no skirt, it's like underwear. I can't imagine it getting much more revealing before it's ok to wear nothing.

I know, I sound like a huge prude, but, I don't really care....I'm just tired of kids running their parents and the schools because the adults are afraid to do anything for fear the kids will call CPS.

[Rottieluver45]

I think this is so dumb! I do NOT agree with the school board at all. It's stupid. Why do they have to make a big deal out of that. The girl wanted to look good. She probably wasn't trying to seduce anybody so- what's the big deal. And she even had permission from a teacher to take off her jacket.

The way they're describing the sweater doesn't even seem that bad- ooooo her shoulders were showing!! OMG!!!!

I just don't get it!!!

[RICHARD]

Two years ago Rita Wilson from the San Diego School District was demoted after she did a 'thong panty check' at a scool dance...

She asked the girls wearing dresses what kind of undies they were wearing and sent the 'thongies'
home -she also lifted the skirts on some ladies to make sure.....


Why?

FREAK DANCING!!!!! Yeah!!!



It's when the gal backs into the guy's groin and they simulate the "nawtee thing"..There were reports that the girls would lift their skirts and flash the crowd..



Now maybe Ms. Wilson was a bit too intense in her search for offenders, but why were the gals so hurt and offended by Wilson's search when they were gonna pull up their skirts anyway???

And why were the parents so mortified that the teacher would check on their children like that??
They were told NOT to wear thongs to the dance, yet some choose to do so anyway...

Now, had a gal been assaulted on the dance floor after showing her tushy to some immature 16-18 year old boy, who would have been to blame for letting these gals 'freak'....

"Good Old Ms. Wilson.........."


DENNIS!!!!!!!!!

[CathyBogart]

Rules are rules. If they're made clear, why violate them and then get mad when you have to face the consequences.