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    This Is The Attitude I Face......

    everyday when I walk my dogs. People like this really, really scare me. What about cigarette smoke? Second hand smoke alone kills 50,000 people a year.

    It's time to put an end to the carnage of pit bulls

    By Matt Rosenberg
    Special to The Times




    America can count on two things this summer: Western forest fires and gruesome carnage by pit bulls. The latter is already well under way in Washington, and across the U.S.

    Yet, experts aplenty criticize breed-specific regulations. They urge more public education. Unfortunately, though, too many thuggish or careless pit bull owners aren't interested in learning responsibility.

    And as it happens, pit bulls stand alone among dogs as killers. A study in the Journal of the American Veterinary Medical Association shows that over 20 years, pit bulls lead in human dog-bite-related fatalities for which breed was reported. They're followed at some distance by Rottweilers, then German Shepherds and Huskies.

    According to the Centers for Disease Control, pit bulls are also among the breeds that bite most often. About 800,000 of the estimated 4.7 million annual U.S. dog bites require medical treatment. Insurance claims total $1 billion a year.

    Definitions of pit bulls include American Pit Bull Terriers, Staffordshire Bull Terriers, American Staffordshire Terriers and mixes including those breeds. Pit bulls have historically been fighters. Many are still bred for violence. Thus, local laws may ban them or require they be caged, or muzzled and restrained ? sometimes even micro-chipped and heavily insured.

    In other words, they're ticking time bombs, as Western Washington has been recently reminded. In three West Seattle incidents this spring, pit bulls attacked dogs (one died, another was severely injured) and a man, Joseph Muñoz. He suffered three broken ribs, a punctured lung, broken back and multiple scars. Muñoz says, "These dangerous dogs need to be taken off the streets of Seattle."

    In March, a pit bull mauled a 3-year-old boy to death in Lakewood, Pierce County. In April, two pit bulls attacked a Renton police dog pursuing a suspect, then were shot by police.

    Nationwide reports this spring further highlight the pit bull menace. Here's a very partial sampling.

    ? In Cortlandt, N.Y., a seated 75-year-old woman visiting a friend's home bled to death after the friend's pit bull suddenly attacked her face.

    ? A roommate's pit bull attacked a Huntington, W. Va., man, breaking hand bones and nearly severing his pinky.

    ? A 52-year-old electric meter reader lost an ear and part of her scalp to a pit bull in Brevard County, Fla.

    ? Pit bulls attacked a 64-year-old Augusta, Maine, man outside his apartment. He got 14 stitches for wounds on an arm and wrist.

    ? In suburban Salt Lake City, a 3-year-old girl in a park had her face torn apart by a pit bill.

    ? In the Bronx, another badly ripped up a 10-year-old boy's leg.

    "Certain breeds represent a very significantly increased risk of death or injury," a Nationwide Mutual Insurance spokesman told the Chicago Tribune. The company won't cover households with pit bulls, Rottweilers and four other breeds. Other industry officials agree breed is increasingly a major factor.

    Governments are wary, too. Pit Bull Rescue Central reports Denmark, Norway, Holland and Romania ban pit bulls, likewise at least 55 U.S. jurisdictions. These include Denver; Miami-Dade County; Prince George's County, Md.; and Puerto Rico. Some bans also include Rottweilers.

    The Spokane City Council recently banned non-service animals from large downtown events. Police told the Spokesman-Review they're especially concerned about breeds including pit bulls and Rottweilers. A captain notes, "Our fear is one of these dogs is going to take a child's face off... "

    Last week, the Seattle City Council added animals that severely injure another to its definition of dangerous critters, subject to micro-chipping, banishment or humane disposal. Also new is a civil citation of "potentially dangerous" animals for minor bites and various aggressive behaviors.

    It's an improvement, but a pit bull ban is required here. True, complications can arise about what is and isn't a pit bull, and a ban isn't always easy to enforce. However, this only underscores the need for clear definitions and procedures, and prioritization of funding. We need safety, not excuses.

    So-civil Seattle already bans sidewalk-sitting and public urination; and will continue through this summer exterminating geese, because their abundant fecal matter causes "swimmer's itch" and may pose disease risks. That's all well and good. But neither the homeless nor pooping waterfowl chew up dogs, able-bodied adults or children, with "jaws of death."

    People now deter attacking pit bulls with their own weapons, like baseball bats, recently near Vancouver, Clark County, and Santa Fe, N.M.; and a handgun, in Columbus, Ohio.

    Something is fundamentally askew when clandestine, organized pit bull fights are sprouting nationwide; when so many pit bulls are abandoned; and when others regularly run free, or bust loose and attack.

    You might own a docile, loving pit bull. Others may responsibly harbor a perfectly legal Bushmaster XM15-A3 assault rifle. Neither should be allowed.



    Matt Rosenberg is a Seattle writer and regular contributor to The Times' editorial pages. E-mail him at [email protected]
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    *sighs* I really feel bad for people who judge dogs on there bad reputation..when they dont know them. They judge the whole entire breed for a handful of dogs. I have found pit bulls to be very affectionate dogs. There probaly the most affectionate dog on my list. They think banning the breed will stop pit bulls from being bad dogs? NOT IN MY OPINION. Its never the dog thats bad, its always the stupid owners and breeders, that make them that way. If we had more responsible people in the world, I think they would think twice before calling pits a "horrible breed" Ok, ill stop.

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    Yes, it's just another example of propaganda silliness. I feel really sorry for people who believe everything they read or see on tv.
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    Originally posted by Cheshirekatt
    Yes, it's just another example of propaganda silliness. I feel really sorry for people who believe everything they read or see on tv.

    you mean the flintstones are fake???

    most of the blame lies with the owners...

    we had some jerky kids that lived around the corner teach a pit to lunge at everything that moved...it go so bad they fenced the dog OUT of their yard......it was too much to handle....
    forget the dogs, euthanize the owners..
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    Originally posted by RICHARD
    you mean the flintstones are fake???

    most of the blame lies with the owners...

    we had some jerky kids that lived around the corner teach a pit to lunge at everything that moved...it go so bad they fenced the dog OUT of their yard......it was too much to handle....
    forget the dogs, euthanize the owners..
    OMG!! I'm watching the Flintstones RIGHT NOW!!

    Euthanize the owners? Sounds good to me.

    I've been lunged at my many a dog.....not one of them has been a pitty. Well, I take that back....

    I've been lunged at, knocked down and licked all over! lol
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    I have always loved all dogs, however no matter how nice a pit bull is I would never trust one and would not go near one. I also agree that the owners are responsible for what happens with their pit bulls and the law should be very strict in making owners take out insurance and they should go to obedience school although I don't know if that would help.

    My reasoning: Our two Schnauzers were attacked in our own patio by a pitbull who lived next door. We had put up a six foot fence all the way down to the street to protect our dogs, however this pitbull broke his chain, then broke through our fence to get to them. We happen to be at the grocery store. When we came home we found our male lying on the bottom step of our patio barely alive, he had punctured lungs and bites. Our little female was in the dog house with her shoulder ripped wide open and bleeding profusely. the pitbull's chain got caught on a fence or he would have finished them off. That was a year ago and I still have nightmares about finding them like that.
    We rushed them to the emergency vet hospital, they were there over a week and I'm happy to say they are doing wonderful today, after Daisy had surgery on her shoulder and Perry's lungs and bites got better. Our Vet bills were way over 3,000, who paid for them? Not the people who had the Pitbull, they were renting as section 8s and the owner of the house paid. The owners of the pitbull were summoned to court, did they show up? No, there is a arrest warrent for them.
    We went through a very long period of rehabilition with them, carrying them in and out etc. etc. The people next door had three pitbulls, now they are down to one and our dogs are prisoners in their own yard, we cannot let them outside without one of us with them.
    The same week this happened another elderly woman was sitting on the porch in our city with her dog and another pitbull attacked her dog and luckily a passerby saved it.
    Do I like Pitbulls? I realize all dogs are different, however I would never trust one and don't expect to ever be near one if I can help it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jackiesdaisy1935
    I have always loved all dogs, however no matter how nice a pit bull is I would never trust one and would not go near one. I also agree that the owners are responsible for what happens with their pit bulls and the law should be very strict in making owners take out insurance and they should go to obedience school although I don't know if that would help.

    My reasoning: Our two Schnauzers were attacked in our own patio by a pitbull who lived next door. We had put up a six foot fence all the way down to the street to protect our dogs, however this pitbull broke his chain, then broke through our fence to get to them. We happen to be at the grocery store. When we came home we found our male lying on the bottom step of our patio barely alive, he had punctured lungs and bites. Our little female was in the dog house with her shoulder ripped wide open and bleeding profusely. the pitbull's chain got caught on a fence or he would have finished them off. That was a year ago and I still have nightmares about finding them like that.
    We rushed them to the emergency vet hospital, they were there over a week and I'm happy to say they are doing wonderful today, after Daisy had surgery on her shoulder and Perry's lungs and bites got better. Our Vet bills were way over 3,000, who paid for them? Not the people who had the Pitbull, they were renting as section 8s and the owner of the house paid. The owners of the pitbull were summoned to court, did they show up? No, there is a arrest warrent for them.
    We went through a very long period of rehabilition with them, carrying them in and out etc. etc. The people next door had three pitbulls, now they are down to one and our dogs are prisoners in their own yard, we cannot let them outside without one of us with them.
    The same week this happened another elderly woman was sitting on the porch in our city with her dog and another pitbull attacked her dog and luckily a passerby saved it.
    Do I like Pitbulls? I realize all dogs are different, however I would never trust one and don't expect to ever be near one if I can help it.
    Jackie, Perry and Miss Daisy
    OMG. I felt so bad after reading your post. I can only imagine your pain when that happened. I'm sending you a virtual hug.
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    I am glad you came back to share more of your story with us luckypenny. And before I go any further let me say that Penny is adorable . I am very glad to hear that she was able to go back to the park and play with her friends. I know how awful I would have felt if this incident made her more fearful around other dogs. Fortunately it has not, and she is able to run and play again. Yay! I am also pleased at the timing of your visit to the park. The dog park is the place to meet responsible dog owners and learn more about all breeds of dogs. I am glad that speaking with this young man has made you feel better, and I am especially glad that precious Penny is doing so well.

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    Wow, that's too bad that happened to you. I'm glad your dogs are ok. That's what's important in the end.

    I have to admit that being lumped in with people living in section 8 housing is a little weird.

    I live in a nice house, put up a 6 foot fence, train my dogs extensively and only ever have them out on leashes. They're licensed and vaccinated and micro-chipped.

    It's unfortunate that pittys are attractive to the wrong element of society. I believe this the what causes many of the problems.

    I've been bitten by several dogs and had a lab attack one of my dogs. I understand dog behavior enough to realise this is just how some dogs are. I don't hate labs now and would never try to segregate myself from them.

    IMHO any dog that attacks a person unprovoked should be considered a dangerous dog and appropriate measures should be taken.

    Again, I'm glad your dogs are ok.

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    Originally posted by jackiesdaisy1935
    Not the people who had the Pitbull, they were renting as section 8s and the owner of the house paid.

    Section 8's are the people who live in places that are subsidised by the government...


    since they do not have the financial incentive to keep their place and the neighborhood in a liveable condition they come in and destroy and terrorize the neighborhood.

    THEY ARE NOT ALL LIKE THAT. but you will get the
    pieces of trash who keep those poor animals and TEACH THEM to attack, for their own entertainment.....the poor animals are usually kept, as jackie alluded to, on chains and they are never walked or housed or cared for in a responsible manner. so when the dogs get loose there is all hell to pay...

    most of the times the dogs are treated as 'throwaways' the dog become too vicious to keep and the owners either turn them loose or pound them

    Jackie, i'm sorry that you had to find you babies in that condition....


    again, forget the dogs, euthanize the IRRESPONSIBLE owners....
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    Originally posted by jackiesdaisy1935
    I have always loved all dogs, however no matter how nice a pit bull is I would never trust one and would not go near one.
    So you'd never trust Simba or go near him?????

    PLEASE answer my PM and/or e-mail about FTLOD.








    As for the subject, i find how people feel about Pit Bulls racism... Breedism.

    I like quoting Richard.... so.... Like he says "forget the dogs, euthanize the IRRESPONSIBLE owners...."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kfamr
    As for the subject, i find how people feel about Pit Bulls racism... Breedism.
    HEY, I was going to say that! I agree.
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    Just as much damage can be done by an owner of say a lab who completely ignores the dog aggression and human aggression that many have shown
    Ya, no kidding. Funny how people use Labs and Goldens as examples to use against Pits but they are higher on the list of agressive dogs and of course the wonderful Pitty is at the bottom Dogs can be dog agressive, obviously this PitBull was. So? Any dog can be dog agressive it's stupid that it gets turned around and blamed on a innocent breed when it can happen to ANY dog.
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    Did not mean to stir things up

    Sorry if I stirred things up, but I was rather emotional yesterday. One of the people that responded was correct, I did happen across the old post and registered as a means to help deal with my pain.

    I have a follow up. The Animal Control Officers were the ones that told me the dog was a Pit Bull. The dog in question was most likely bred to be aggressive. They were able to catch the dog as it came back while they were there photograghing the scene and my dogs injuries. Also several of my neighbors also came to my aid during and after the attack. Nice to know that I have such a great neighborhood. Using hoses we chased the dog off.


    The Emergency Vet told me that when Animal Control Officers contacted the owner, and there was a nasty confrontation. The Animal Control Officers had to call the Police, as they were in fear of their safety.

    They found a breeding situation and confiscated all of their dogs. There is a DOG GOD. I will not seek damages, as I feel justice has been done. I hope that the puppies find good homes. Our county has a strict policy regarding aggressive dogs, therefore this dog has a sad future.

    My dog is recovering slowly, is on a high dosage of antibiotics and will recover. Thank God.

    What can be done about the aggressive breeding of these animals? I know that it is not all dogs. I know that all dogs can bite, this was so much more than that. Thank goodness it was not a toddler, or me.

    Of course I am traumatized. I love all animals, but this as really left an impact on me. To have my dog mauled, as this animal charged us from behind, is a nightmare that I cannot shake.

    The Vet has urged me to take my senior back to the dog park when her injuries heal. It is something that we both used to enjoy so much.

    Now it frightens me. I am so saddened by what is happening in our society.
    I wish that we could control this in our cities, but I don't know how without restricting great dog owners to truly care and love their dogs.

    Anyway, I am still really having a hard time dealing with this, but will not seek anything for my damages, as I hope that justice has been served.

    I hope that no one else ever has this experience. I really mean that, and it makes me sad to think that someone thought that I wrote this only to "stir things up".

    Sorry if that is what has occurred, but perhaps it will bring more awareness to a growing problem in out society.

    Thank you all for listening and helping me heal.

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    I, too, suspected that your post was an honest attempt to work out your feeling of helplessness at this particular situation. I am so sorry that you had such an unpleasant experience, and I hope that your dog fully recovers quickly. As you can see many of us on here strongly believe that good training, breeding, and socialization can make all types of dogs pleasant additions to any community. The problems occur when people do not take the time and/or effort to do that, or own a dog for all of the wrong reasons.
    I hope you will continue share your dog's recovery with us.

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