Please write to make a difference, this is very sad, exploting a beautiful creature!

**luckies4me** · 12-12-2002, 01:46 AM

This was posted on another forum:

"Animals: Hello, Many of you have seen this before, but for those of you who haven’t, Here is a link to an item on E-Bay that was brought to my attention by another exotic lover. I feel that the following item shouldn’t be allowed on a public auction site. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=1972342510 I have made several contacts and found that this is the person who we need to write to make a change… Pierre M. Omidyar Chairman eBay.com Inc. 2145 Hamilton Ave. San Jose, CA 95125 Phone: 408-558-7400 Fax: 408-558-7401 http://www.ebay.com/aboutebay/overview/management.html Please view the above site and be true to your heart with your response…"

Look how beautiful she is! She deserves to be ALIVE!

**luckies4me** · 12-12-2002, 01:48 AM

And the animal is CITES regulated, why the hell was it shot then?

**Nomilynn** · 12-12-2002, 01:49 AM

That is so sad!!! It's not like a bobcat is killed for any other reason than trophy.. It's sick!!! The bidding is already closed, are people supposed to write anyway?

**luckies4me** · 12-12-2002, 01:52 AM

Yes, there are other animals on there including a baby bobcat!!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...category=22702

**neko1** · 12-12-2002, 05:45 AM

ewww what kind of sick person would want that poor animal in their house? That bobcat is beautiful and definately didn't deserve to be shot and stuffed.

**Karen** · 12-12-2002, 07:29 AM

We don't know why she was shot, to be fair. Yes, she ended up being stuffed, but she may have been in a dangerous area, or something. She is lovely, and I am glad her wild cousins still survive - in the wild! We rarely see these beauties, but that's good - both for them, and for us!

**COCatMama** · 12-12-2002, 08:55 AM

Blech, disgusting and barbaric. And some fool paid money for that?! wait till his wife finds out!

**Corinna** · 12-12-2002, 09:37 AM

Ok I know I'm in for it no, but as the wife of a taxidermist I really have to say this. Have any of you ever seen what a wild cat can to to children and pets?I have and it's not pretty.Our saying here is why waste it's beauty even if it is dead.
You folks must not have ever been to Montana long enough to see the wild carnage these animals can do. You all have mentioned things that disgust me but I keep my mouth SHUT!! cuz I may not know the circomstances.
I just had to reply! Ps you don't ever want to come to my home then I5 different mounts here.

**luckies4me** · 12-12-2002, 11:10 AM

I don't have a problem with taxidermy, people stuff their pets for heaven sakes, I just think it is WRONG to kill an animal just for it's pelt, because it is seen as a prize. A baby bobcat cannot due harm and usually bobcats do not go up to people and attack them. I know, only because there are a lot of people around here who keep them as pets (exotic animal breeders) and they grow up with children. Have you seen bobcat sleep with a pair of siamese? Or a serval and a caracal friends. Well I have. Animals should not be killed as trophie. Bear hunting, deer hunting etc. discusts me. I can understand if you are going to use the animal as food but no one is going to eat bobcat, zebra or elephant tusks. There is no reason to stuff a squirrel, that is just plain stupid.

If the animal was a threat to the community and had to be euthanized then stuff it, but don't siplay it like some work of art. Send it to a museum or something where it can be studied or people who have never seen one can see it up close without risk of injury. I also used to live in 29 Plams, in the hot desert where bobcat, coyote and other creatures were at my doorstep everynight. Was I afraid, hell no. I kept my distance and respected the creature. I didn't go get my shot gun and go "Hey, there's a bobcat at my door, it's a threat to me, guess I should go get my gun and shoot it!" No, I let it live out it's life. It was there first, that is where it belongs. Us humans are constantly taking over their space, I don't blame them for having to wander our neighborhoods, after all, it's our fault.

**luckies4me** · 12-12-2002, 11:17 AM

I know a lady and her husband. The ladies husband goes bear, elk and deer hunting. He NEVER eats the meat (some people eat bear) but displays their heads upon his shelves as a trophie. That is sick. They have a huge bear he killed on their wall, hanging above the fireplace. He shoots deer bucks just becase they have twelve points!!!Any magnificant twelve point buck should live, not be mutilated. Also, if you watch those hunting videos they shoot deer in the wrong place. One man shot off the antlers, only reason he was shooting it anyway. It was STILL ALIVE when they walked up to it, kicking it etc. They didn't have the decency to shoot it in the head and put it out of it's misery, they let it die a slow and painful death. Then they just left him there to rot because the antlers were no good anymore. What a beautiful creature, he had to die for someones stupidity.

It's just wrong!

**All Creatures Great And Small** · 12-12-2002, 11:20 AM

So to summarize your position here, only meat animals should be taxidermied, and works of art should only be displayed in museums, not in private homes? Bobcat hunting is legal, taxidermy is legal, and selling mounts on eBay must be legal too, if it's for sale. eBay is not a "public" auction site, it's a private business enterprise. I don't approve of trophy hunting either, just my personal feeling, but stopping one guy from selling one mount isn't going to make it stop happening.

**luckies4me** · 12-12-2002, 11:46 AM

"So to summarize your position here, only meat animals should be taxidermied, and works of art should only be displayed in museums, not in private homes? Bobcat hunting is legal, taxidermy is legal, and selling mounts on eBay must be legal too, if it's for sale. eBay is not a "public" auction site, it's a private business enterprise. I don't approve of trophy hunting either, just my personal feeling, but stopping one guy from selling one mount isn't going to make it stop happening."

To me a bucks head on a wall is not a work of art. What if they started doing that to cats. Oh my cat is pretty so I am going to shoot it, skin it and hang it on the wall. That's sick. Bobcat hunting is controlled because they are a CITES listed species. Iknow all that stuff is legal, I amjust giving my opinion here ok, if yours differs so be it. You are entitled to yours as I am mine and this is my opinion. I dn't know what you mean about meat animals. I have never seen a stuffed cow. I never said taxidermy was wrong, people do it for all reasons. I just disagree about the way the animals are killed. They consider them such beautiful creatures. Don't you think it would be more beautiful if it were alive? Do you not think what happened to that buck was sad and disrespectful to the creature, to shoot it and leave it there to die a painful death?

I do agree that one person is not going to change a thing, and maybe it's useless but for the people who care maybe they can do something about it, at least stop the useless slaughter of defenseless animals for sport. Eating them, using the hide for clothing etc. is fine. But to just kill something to kill it is discusting and crazy.

**Desert Arabian** · 12-12-2002, 03:48 PM

Corrina- WOW! I am jelous of you...15 mounts...a husband taxadermist...LUCKY! I think taxadermy is a very interesting field of work. I think it is amazing how they can do that- if only it was faster tho. We had to wait 1 1/2 years, almost 2 for our 9 pointer. That's the only thing I don't like.

I hunt...and I am 100% proud, and nobody can stop me or take my pride away!I hunt deer,duck, goose, squirrel, rabbit, turkey, phesant, and grouse.All of them are very tasty!! I would love to go Elk, Moose, Pronghorn, and Mountain Lion hunting, but I don't know if that will ever happen. I have no problem with wildlife mounting..but pet mounting, that creeps me out. If I had a pet mouted it would make me too depressed to see it just sitting there- it would make me think of the fun-filled past. I think the weirdest things I have seen mounted would be chickens and horses. The coolest mount I have seen would be a mount where a Mountain Lion is attacking a HUGE Mule Deer buck. I guess hunting has to run in your blood..it does in mine...and I am glad!

p.s.If that Bobcat was illegally poached...then I would have a problem with it. (But it wouldn't be on E-Bay anyhow.)

Luckies4Me- what do you mean by the bobcat being CITES???

**luckies4me** · 12-12-2002, 04:51 PM

YLL: WOW! That is a pretty buck!!!! I don't think taxidermy is wrong as I stated, and youeat what you catch, not all but most. If the animal is shot fast and dies fast that's better, but the man who shot that deer and left him to die without shooting it to kill it is sad. I don't think you would let any animal suffer that way would you? I do think the buck is pretty though.

You have eaten a squirrel?

What does it tastes like?

Why did it take 1 1/2 years to get the buck back? Isn't that a long time? You think pet mounting is scary! People mummify their pets and keep them in the living room, now that's scary!

CITES regulates endangered animals and other thing: You can go here for more info.

**Soledad** · 12-12-2002, 04:59 PM

I'm still interested in why people think it's perfectly okay to kill cows, pigs, chicken and fish yet "disgusting" and "wrong" when someone hunts an animal themselves and either eats it or displays it. Both groups are killing animals.

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