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    This is just disgusting and I hope this guy rots in
    Hell where he deserves to be. This makes me sick to my stomach.

    -Posted on Tue, Nov. 05, 2002
    Tougher sentences sought for animal-cruelty charges
    In Pa. and N.J., these crimes mean little or no jail time now. But some fear minor offenses may get stiffer
    penalties, too.
    By Benjamin Wallace-Wells
    Inquirer Suburban Staff


    SCHWENKSVILLE - On Oct. 11, after Jerry Hartley's golden retriever urinated on his rug, Hartley took a
    thigh-high, black-handled, Civil War sword and ran it through the dog four times, police say: once in his
    neck, once in his chest, once in his abdomen, and once in his rear.

    The dog survived, but the attack sent Montgomery County prosecutor Todd Stephens scrambling through
    the statutes. His mission: Give the judge a bigger book to throw at Hartley. He wanted to find another
    charge to tack onto animal cruelty, which carries a maximum two-year prison sentence that is almost
    always negotiated down to no jail time.

    Stephens charged Hartley with criminal possession of a weapon - the sword - which adds the possibility
    of five more years in jail.

    Animal advocates and some legal theorists around the country are saying that Stephens should not have
    had to scramble, particularly in light of research indicating that people who commit crimes against
    animals often commit violent crimes against people.

    People "who exhibit behavior that's so out-of-bounds are a larger threat to society and shouldn't receive
    just a slap on the wrist," says Wayne Pacelle, senior vice president of the Humane Society of the United
    States.

    Animal advocates have campaigned for stiffer penalties for animal cruelty for a decade. In that time, 38
    states, including New Jersey and Pennsylvania, have made their penalties tougher.

    But sometimes the statutes have not become very much tougher. In 1996, Pennsylvania upgraded animal
    cruelty from a second-degree misdemeanor to a first-degree misdemeanor but did not increase the
    penalties.

    "The judges almost never give any jail time at all, and, when they do, it's 90 days in the county jail - never
    any time at the big house," said Eric Hendricks, executive director of the Society for the Prevention of
    Cruelty to Animals in Pennsylvania.

    Ann Marie Kaiser, executive director of the Pennsylvania District Attorneys Association, says that she
    has heard of prosecutors looking for penalties to tack onto animal cruelty. Her association has lobbied for
    stiffer penalties, because some cases "go beyond neglect. There's sometimes a clear propensity
    towards violence."

    In New Jersey, penalties are similar: up to 18 months in jail. Lawyers who act as private prosecutors for
    cruelty cases there say those convicted rarely serve jail time.

    Nationally, penalties in both New Jersey and Pennsylvania are in the middle of the pack. Alabama and
    Louisiana have the nation's toughest laws, up to 10 years in jail, while Hawaii and Mississippi don't
    require any jail time.

    In Pennsylvania, a person can be charged with felony animal cruelty if he has already been convicted of
    animal cruelty in a separate case. Felony animal cruelty can mean up to seven years in jail.

    The issue is coming to the fore locally because of several other high-profile cases in the region.

    Russell Watson, a 17-year-old Mantua boy who beat a pit bull with a baseball bat, was sentenced in
    September to serve time in a juvenile detention center until he turns 21.

    In Bucks County, prosecutors describe a case of a man they allege is a serial dog-beater: Each time his
    girlfriend bought a dog, he attacked it. They said it happened four times, and three of the dogs died.

    Hartley was turned in to police after his wife came home and said she found him trying to staple the
    dog's wounds shut. He did not make $25,000 cash bail and is being held at the Montgomery County
    Correctional Facility. He has yet to enter a plea.

    Farm advocates say that, in some cases, there are good reasons for judges and legislators to be
    cautious. Cruelty cases, they say, are frequently very emotional, and giving judges more leeway means it
    is more likely that minor offenses will mean serious jail time.

    Marel Raub, regulatory affairs director for the Pennsylvania Farm Bureau, notes a case in which a farmer
    was convicted of animal cruelty after shooting a dog that had attacked his animals; five years in jail for
    that, Raub says, is simply too stiff.

    "These crimes are being interpreted by the courts so that what's considered cruelty or neglect aren't
    necessarily these heinous things," Raub said. "We're concerned that the punishment doesn't fit the
    crime."

    State Rep. Gene DiGirolomo (R., Bucks) introduced a bill last fall to raise the maximum penalty for
    animal cruelty from two years to five. The bill passed in the state House but has stalled in the Senate.

    DiGirolomo blames opposition from the farm lobby. Raub doesn't disagree. "We've made our feelings
    known," she said tersely.

    A similar bill introduced last month in New Jersey by Rep. George Geist (R., Camden) is still in the
    Assembly's agriculture committee. It would raise the maximum penalty from 18 months in prison to five
    years.

    Research psychologists say penalties for these crimes are stiffening as a growing body of research links
    cruelty to animals to violence against humans.

    "We're getting more and more pieces of evidence, which suggest that this is a warning sign," said Frank
    Ascione, professor of psychology at Utah State University and author of two books about the issue.

    Edward D. Ohlbaum, professor of law at Temple University, says that the vileness of a crime - the degree
    to which it offends public sensibilities - is an essential variable that legislatures consider when weighing
    criminal penalties.

    But those sensibilities can change.

    "Maybe we're at a stage now where we're recognizing that an animal isn't property but isn't a human - is
    in that in-between category," Ohlbaum said, "and we're reassessing our penalties for crimes against
    animals to make them fit that new category."
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    Absolutely disgusting - I hope he rots in hell too, but not before someone runs a sword through him 4 times.
    Lets see how he likes it ............

    What a pig ...........
    M!
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    I can't say what I think about this guy and what I truly think should be done to him for this.......
    Save a life, ADOPT!!
    Sue

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    (RB Gaylord and Bandit, fosters who have touched my heart)

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    If I ever got my hands on these kind of monsters........
    ~Kimmy, Zam, Logan, Raptor, Nimrod, Mei, Jasper, Esme, & Lucy Inara
    RIP Kia, Chipper, Morla, & June

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    omg!

    i don't know what to say...that's disgusting, horrifying, uggh. I can't believe that poor dog lived after something like that!

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    Hartley was turned in to police after his wife came home and said she found him trying to staple the dog's wounds shut.
    What was this man thinking? He must be insane. I don't think I'll ever understand people.

    Huney, Bon & Simba-missed so very much
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    What a story! I am so disgusted and mad


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    The poor dog.
    Where's that sniper guy when ya need him???
    Owned by a demanding cat. Lol

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    Writing effective laws

    This case illustrates the problems with making animal cruelty laws that are tough enough on those who commit malicious or sadistic acts upon animals, but are written so as to be resistant to misinterpretation by an overzealous prosecutor. I live in an area that is mainly agricultural, have had livestock, and have had to deal with the problems presented to livestock by feral dogs, cats, and pigs. These are animals which cannot be dealt with by offering a bowl of food and a fond caress; they will never be pets, and once they begin to prey upon livestock, it's doubtful that they will ever settle for another food source. A law that involves a blanket prohibition against killing animals outside of a meat processing operation puts farmers and ranchers at risk for their livelihoods. But no law at all, or weak ones, allows nut cases like Mr. Hartley, or the serial dog beater mentioned, to continue to victimize pets. There's got to be a sensible solution.

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    normally id say this is a kids site too, but theres no other ay to discribe it, id like to add a few more words but they would be innaproprate.

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