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    Faith?

    I am having somewhat of a crisis...
    Some of the people Ive seen post on facebook are really making question faith in general. I know what I believe but listening to people spout off scientifc "proof" that can't be backed up makes me sad. People are so sure science is always right and that expirements are honest and unbaised and that isn't true. The problem is is that I don't have science on my side in fact science has worked very hard at disproving my core beliefs. How honest can something be when the purpose is to prove something else wrong?
    *sigh* thanks for listening.

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    I found a perfect blend of those two sides in a quote from Einstein: "God does not play dice with the universe."

    Two weeks from today I am going to attend a Unitarian service in Calgary. I love the community in the church I have been attending for some 10 years, but because of certain things that I never have been able to believe and doubt I ever will, I feel spiritually stunted and unable to grow.

    Even if - IF - the Big Bang theory is the correct one, there are immense and huge immutable laws at work, the laws of physics being one example. Evolution of various species is another huge force - why the more religious human beings don't equate this huge force with the power of "God's creation" puzzles me. It is two ways of saying the same thing, IMO.

    The nature of science is to break down and deconstruct. This is analysis. I don't think people think science is always "right"; if they do, they need be reminded that all experiments start with a hypothesis (remember middle school science class? ).

    My own opinion is that NO ONE knows all the truth, all the time, and that we as a human race do our best to move forward with what we have and know, and learn more as we go forward.

    Science is an honest effort to discover truth. But rarely does it prove anything as such, with abstract theories.

    Medical science, on the other hand, has saved more lives and is making leaps and bounds all the time.

    Your core beliefs are fine. Faith is a non-material essence; science deals only with tangibles.

    Hope that makes sense or helps.
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    It makes sense, and its nice to know Im not alone. I think that the more we discover about the universe, the more it shows that it isnt all just random. I think the problem Im having is with people that see science and spiritualisim as mutually exclusive ideas and people that say Im a fool for even believing in God at all.

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    I am not a religious person by any means, but I do believe in god to an extent. I like the idea of heaven, hell, and all that. I am mostly a scientific person, and want to pursue a scientific careers as well. But one thing I hate is people who bash science into someone's head who is religious, or vice versa. Let people just believe what they want and that's the end of it. I don't get why people need to prove to other people there isn't a god or there is a god. It's what YOU believe, while changing someone's mind isn't a bad thing, it can be done without force and being annoying. I've seen post on facebook bashing Democrats and posts bashing Republicans, and while it's different the concept is the same. The fact is bashing or persisting doesn't do anything in these types of arguments.

    Just ignore the posts, and believe what you want to believe. Don't let people change your mind if you don't want it to be changed.

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    Faith and science are NOT mutually exclusive.

    Explain the symbiotic relationships between certain animals, and in some cases certain individuals of species having a symbiotic relationship.

    Explain to me how most systems degenerate into ever simpler states, but life has organized into ever more complex beings.
    The one eyed man in the kingdom of the blind wasn't king, he was stoned for seeing light.

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    I have faith. I'm religious, so.... faith is what I believe in. It's gotten me through so many things in my life.
    You're the one sure thing I've found so you better stick around...
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    Countrywolf,

    I have faith too. Sometimes it's tested to the brink. But I manage to get through it. And yeah, I saw that post on Facebook.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moosmom View Post
    Countrywolf,

    I have faith too. Sometimes it's tested to the brink. But I manage to get through it. And yeah, I saw that post on Facebook.
    Definitely. It can be tested to the very brink. Faith is a powerful thing.
    You're the one sure thing I've found so you better stick around...
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    People who proclaim science is all knowing are just as daft as the idiots who threaten you that you'll go to hell unless you get down on your knees and pray for mercy for your sorry, sinful backside.

    I think science has given the human race great advancements that have developed us, and will continue to develop us, as a species. I don't believe, however, the human mind has the capacity to harness all the secrets of the universe. We really aren't that clever.

    I don't believe in God, so I suppose I do support the laws of physics. But, as I was not there when the universe was created, nor could even begin to understand the calculations that demonstrate how the Big Bang could have occurred, I have no evidence to disprove anything else. People are welcome to believe what they want and the sooner more people on this earth come round to that idea, the more the human race would get along!

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    OK, gonna go look for that post....

    ETA: Found it. If it's the one little line posted by someone whose name begins with C?

    I posted to her. You can look.

    It says basically that she has faith in her point of view.

    It's just one person. You know what they say about opinions...they're like a**holes. Each person has one and each one is different.

    Yours is equal to anyone else's!
    "Do or do not. There is no try." -- Yoda

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