Flight 253

[Grace]

From Amsterdam to Detroit, today - another incident involving a Nigerian man.

From the Detroit Free Press -

2nd man in custody after in-air disruption today

By DEVLIN BARRETT
Associated Press

WASHINGTON — The Associated Press has learned that a second Nigerian man has been taken into custody aboard a jetliner in Detroit after locking himself in the airliner’s bathroom.

A law enforcement official tells the AP that the incident took place aboard the same Northwest flight that was attacked on Christmas Day. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because the incident was ongoing.

A Delta spokeswoman says all 256 passengers have been safely taken off the plane. Delta operates the Northwest flight.

[pomtzu]

Now doesn't that just give everyone such and warm and fuzzy feeling about flying the friendly skies???

I don't do planes - I take the train!

[lizbud]

What is going on?

Ivana Trump was also escorted off a plane in Fla. Different reason though,
she objected to screaming children on board.

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/...ory?id=9429015

[Cataholic]

All of this is so incredulous. These rules about liquids, breast milk (though I have heard that has changed) drinks, etc., and somehow someone got past security with all the tools necessary to detonate a plane? Someone on some 'list'- reported by his own father, and he got on a plane without a secondary inspection?

[Grace]

I was watching several of the Sunday morning shows today. Someone brought up the father of #1 going to the U.S. Embassy 6 months ago. Another of the panelists wondered to whom the father spoke - maybe a Nigerian who happened to work there? Maybe the message never got passed up the chain?

As for the ingredients of the incendiary device - another panelist questioned - how do we know #1 brought all the stuff on board by himself? He had a reservation, and seat assignment. Maybe someone in the cleaning/maintenance crew stuck something to the bottom of his seat - or in the bathroom? Anything is possible these days.

It's beginning to look like #2 is just a bad copycat. He did everything to draw attention to himself - unlike #1.

Actually, it was kind of interesting to see all the luggage lined up on the runway, and the dog sniffing each piece.

Like Ellie, I also don't do planes. I drive - or stay home

[pomtzu]

Like Ellie, I also don't do planes. I drive - or stay home

Most people think I'm nuts for not flying. I suppose I would in an absolute emergency, but I've never had such an emergency crop up yet.

A couple of years ago I passed up an all expense paid trip to Maui, with accommodations in an oceanfront share condo. A friend of mine was giving it to me, since he already had the date reserved and couldn't change it, and he couldn't go due to family issues.

I was tempted, but in the end, just couldn't do it. Not an emergency!

[Grace]

What is going on?

Ivana Trump was also escorted off a plane in Fla. Different reason though,
she objected to screaming children on board.

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/...ory?id=9429015

She's a piece of work - all that money certainly hasn't seemed to buy her happiness or peace of mind.

[cassiesmom]

I guess I am confused; and I haven't been on an airplane for a few years now. Flight 253 on Christmas, the man had explosives stitched into his underwear. I heard on the news tonight there is almost no way to screen for that. But the second man, was he in the lavatory for a long time only because he became ill? Would they have re-screened passengers arriving from Nigeria who were continuing from Amsterdam to Detroit? What would be the advantage of restricting all passengers to their seats for the final hour of a flight? I don't see it.

[kitten645]

I will continue to fly because I won't give in to the terrorists. I'm sort of fatalistic anyway. If' it's your turn to go, well there's not much to be done about it.
In any case, I can't believe that this guy got thru security in two different cities! He flew from Nigeria to Amsterdam and then onto Detroit. I saw an interview with one of the passengers that subdued him. Looks like it was quick thinking on their part.
I believe the father reported him to both the US Embassy and to the Nigerian government. This kid had all the privledges in the world. Makes you wonder about humans.

[Grace]

I guess I am confused; and I haven't been on an airplane for a few years now. Flight 253 on Christmas, the man had explosives stitched into his underwear. I heard on the news tonight there is almost no way to screen for that. But the second man, was he in the lavatory for a long time only because he became ill? Would they have re-screened passengers arriving from Nigeria who were continuing from Amsterdam to Detroit? What would be the advantage of restricting all passengers to their seats for the final hour of a flight? I don't see it.

Yes, the second man was ill. The restriction is to hopefully prevent another nutcase from trying to blow up a plane as it is getting ready to land. Blow it up over water - no one sees it, and only those on board die. Blow it up over land - it is visible, and there will be fatalities on the ground.

I also heard that this passenger was really given the 3rd degree going through security in Amsterdam. That was said by more than one of the other passengers when they were interviewed in Detroit.

[Puckstop31]

I've said it before... I will say it again....

I have been in the same room with this enemy, more than once. I know how they "think". The only way to be really 'safe' is to be VERY not "PC".

[smokey the elder]

I'm concerned that some of the new security restrictions will start impacting peoples' health. What if diabetics can't bring their test kits, insulin and syringes on board? What if someone gets sick in the last hour of the flight and needs to use the bathroom?

Full body scanners containing nitrate detectors (most explosives contain this stuff) already exist and may be the best solution (for now). Certainly, the human error of blowing off the guy's father shows that no matter what kind of machines or high tech toys you have for security, human errors must be taken into account. I just heard this morning that the guy was helped to board without a passport, and they're looking for the person who facilitated that.

[sparks19]

Yes it has changed a bit that you can now bring breastmilk and juice and other things through security and onto the flight. When we flew with Hannah twice before we were allowed liquids you just tell t hem you have them and someone takes you over to the side and basically just shines this little light on the bottle. don't know exactly how that works but it only takes a few seconds and then you go through.

That being said... we don't fly anymore because I just am NOT a good flier anymore. It's one of the very few things that sends me into complete panic attack mode even days before the flight. So now we drive lol.

[cassiesmom]

I like to drive, except that traffic jams make me panicky. I was once behind an accident that shut down the highway -- it was the helpless "can't get out of here" feeling. I think being stuck in a plane on the tarmac would probably have the same effect on me.

Travelers are measuring their toiletries into 3-ounce bottles and this guy is sewing explosives into his tighty whities ... what's wrong with this picture?

[RICHARD]

George Bush is to blame for this.

If the government hadn't flown those two jets into the WTC-we would not have to worry.

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LOLOLOLOL,
I was watching some simp on msnbc who started a traveler's web site or some such nonsense.

This idiot woman admitted to flying some 40 times with a bottle of mace and never being bothered about it.

I love it when people like the AH politician who would not hang up his phone, Ivana Trump and every family that climbs on board an airplane begin to complain about the service, hassles, threats and other crap while the rest of the responsible travelers have to listen to that babble..

It really is bad enough to wonder if someone wants to auger in the plane you are on...When you hear these delusion fools who don't want to behave or have to make a scene while on the tarmac how does that make you feel?

Make them travel on the wings or in the landing gear bay....


Wah,

No one wants to be searched or scanned...

Think of it this way.

When they come across your body in the wreckage, you really don't have anything to complain about anymore.

Rock on.