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    110 year sentence (or 10 for good behavior)

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070805/...y_rape_slaying

    Reading this story has almost made me physically ill. I know this stuff goes on, but reading about it hurts a LOT.

    I'm so glad charges (and worse) are being brought against these... humans.

    Because of the graphic nature I made this "invisible" Click and scroll to highlight the text or click on reply to read this.

    news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070805/ap_on_re_us/army_rape_slaying

    Soldier gets 110 years in rape-slay case

    By RYAN LENZ, Associated Press Writer 37 minutes ago

    FORT CAMPBELL, Ky. - A soldier convicted of rape and murder in an attack on an Iraqi teenager and her family was sentenced Saturday to 110 years in prison, with the possibility of parole after 10 years.

    The sentence was part of a plea agreement attorneys for Pfc. Jesse Spielman had made with prosecutors that set the number of years he could serve in prison, regardless of the jury's recommendation.

    The jury had recommended life with parole, a sentence under which he would have to wait longer for the possibility of freedom.

    Spielman was convicted late Friday of rape, conspiracy to commit rape, housebreaking with intent to rape and four counts of felony murder.

    Military prosecutors did not say Spielman took part in the rape or murders but alleged that he went to the house knowing what the others intended to do and served as a lookout.

    In closing arguments, the military prosecutor, Maj. William Fischbach, said Spielman played a "bit part" but stressed he shared responsibility.

    Spielman took the stand to petition jurors for leniency before he was sentenced.

    "I don't really blame my chain of command. I don't really blame anybody," he said quietly. "I could have stopped it. I take responsibility for my actions."

    Spielman, 23, of Chambersburg, Pa., received the longest sentence of four soldiers who have been convicted. Three other soldiers pleaded guilty under agreements with prosecutors for their roles in the assault and were given sentences ranging from five to 100 years.

    Spielman's grandmother, Nancy Hess, collapsed outside the courtroom after the verdict was read; Fischbach ran to her side and called 911. Soldiers in Spielman's unit fanned the woman with napkins.

    Spielman's sister, Paige Gerlach, screamed: "I hate the government. You people put him (in Iraq) and now, this happened."

    Defense attorneys declined to comment after the sentencing hearing.

    Spielman had pleaded guilty on Monday to lesser charges of conspiracy to obstructing justice, arson, wrongfully touching a corpse and drinking. The 110-year sentence encompasses those crimes, too.

    The case stemmed from the March 12, 2006, rape and slaying of Abeer Qassim al-Janabi, 14, and the killings of her parents and sister. The attack took place in Mahmoudiya, about 20 miles south of Baghdad.

    Prosecutors rested their case Thursday amid struggles to overcome a fellow soldier's recanting of a story that Spielman acted as a lookout.

    Spc. James Barker said in earlier testimony that he had allowed investigators to draft sworn statements for him that implicated Spielman.

    Barker testified Wednesday that several portions of the document were untrue, including references to Spielman's role in the conspiracy to attack the family and his knowledge of plans to rape the girl.

    But Sgt. Paul E. Cortez testified that Spielman stood guard. Cortez said Spielman was within a few feet of the others as they held down the screaming girl and did nothing to stop them.

    Barker, Cortez and another soldier, Pfc. Bryan L. Howard, pleaded guilty for their roles.

    Steven D. Green, who was discharged from the Army before being charged, faces a possible death sentence when he is tried in federal court in Kentucky. He has pleaded not guilty to charges that include murder and sexual assault.

    Barker and Cortez gave investigators conflicting statements about whether Spielman knew of the plan to rape the girl and whether he was present when they discussed it over whiskey and gin, according to testimony.

    During their courts-martial, Barker and Cortez testified they took turns raping the girl while Green shot and killed her mother, father and younger sister. Green shot the girl in the head after raping her, they said.

    The girl's body was set on fire with kerosene to destroy the evidence, according to previous testimony.

    Copyright © 2007 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.
    Last edited by crow_noir; 08-05-2007 at 10:21 PM. Reason: fix mistake and a typo.
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    That is shameful. I don't care if he only had a "bit part", I hope he never sees freedom again.

    And the nerve of his sister blaming the government sending him there.

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    Sickening.

    This statement irks me:
    Spielman's sister, Paige Gerlach, screamed: "I hate the government. You people put him (in Iraq) and now, this happened."

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    I'm sure he had to join the army first. I think before joining he very well knew he could go to war at anytime. And now WHAT happened?? Your brother was being a sickening bastard? Those are his OWN action's not the governments.

    By no means do I "love" this government myself either but that statement just bothers me so much.

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    Nowhere does it say 5 yrs for good behavior.Where did you get that?
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    Yeah I didn't see "5 years for good behavior", it just said other soldiers were given sentences ranging from 5 - 100 years, but he got the longest.

    His sister's comment is what ticks me off the most. Last I checked, he had to WILLINGLY join the army (and there hasn't been a draft since... anybody? anybody? Vietnam...), and seeing his age, probably knew his chance of going to Iraq was very high when he signed up. So how is the government to blame for that? And furthermore, how is the government to blame for him raping and killing innocent people?! He made those choices!

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    Unfortunately after many many many stories like this I don't like any soldiers at all. I hate having to watch on the news when they have welcome back parties for soldiers. Since there is no draft, I naturally assume people who willing take part in the army can be classed together. I know not everybody is the same, but its going to take a lot to get me to trust anybody who supports soldiers or was one for this war.
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    As a retired soldier, thank you for your support.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IRescue452
    Unfortunately after many many many stories like this I don't like any soldiers at all. I hate having to watch on the news when they have welcome back parties for soldiers. Since there is no draft, I naturally assume people who willing take part in the army can be classed together. I know not everybody is the same, but its going to take a lot to get me to trust anybody who supports soldiers or was one for this war.
    I just saw this thread, and as a Former Soldier, I am very Hurt by this statement!! Why can you not trust us??? so a few do wrong things, so do normal everyday Citizens, so does this mean you dont tust anyone?? Rediculous satement!!

    I would also like to add: my husband was a soldier, my father, my BIL, my cousins, my uncles, grandfathers, great grandfaters ect...I guess you dont like any of us!
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    Opps! *Blushing and trying to hide* I only read through the article once and thought it was five... turns out it was 10.

    " A soldier convicted of rape and murder in an attack on an Iraqi teenager and her family was sentenced Saturday to 110 years in prison, with the possibility of parole after 10 years. "

    Quote Originally Posted by lizbud
    Nowhere does it say 5 yrs for good behavior.Where did you get that?
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    One comment on the sentence......

    His time will be in a military prison, where he will not have the rights of a normal prisoner.

    The Parole Board he will face in 10 years IF he is allowed to go before it will not be a normal parole board, but a military parole board.

    He has a snowball's chance in hades of ever being free again.
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    What this man, soldier or not, has done is inexcusably wrong and I truly hope he and those involved serve their full sentences.

    That said I have lost two friends that I went to high school with; one in Iraq and the other in Afghanistan. I know a number of people that are serving in the armed forces, mostly in the Marines. I live in a military city and some of the comments made here are despicable. I'll make sure to salute the Marine pilots that fly over my work daily; I work alongside Marine corps air station, Miramar.

    IRescue452, next time you make blanket statements about "these people", United States Armed Forces, remember that you include my grandparents, great uncles, my father, and my friends. Here's one of "these people's" memorials. Spc. Michael A. Diraimondo . Mike was assigned to 571st Medical Company and lost his life in 2004 when his Medevac helicopter went down in Iraq. His mission was to save lives and he lost his serving his country. Take a good look at his picture and know that I consider him one of "these people", but to me "these people" are heroes, family, and friends.

    Everyone has a right to their own opinions formed from their experiences, so I figured I would share mine. Did this thread hit a nerve? Oh yea! I hate that there are bad soldiers and bad people in general, but for every sick, cruel, misguided person there are thousands that are truly good and don't deserve to be lumped together under one broad term.

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    Now please everyone, finish up (one final rebuttal) what ever you have to say to each other by Noon today and get back on to the topic at hand or i WILL have this thread locked. Though i doubt there is much left to say... I think we're all in agreement that what these four did is horrible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crow_noir
    Now please everyone, finish up (one final rebuttal) what ever you have to say to each other by Noon today and get back on to the topic at hand or i WILL have this thread locked.
    Is that a joke? LOL If that's NOT a joke it ought to be.
    Last edited by Vela; 08-08-2007 at 07:54 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vela
    Is that a joke? LOL If that's NOT a joke it ought to be.
    Yes, considering she is talking about the right to free speech.

    LOL!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackie
    Yes, considering she is talking about the right to free speech.

    LOL!

    That's what I was thinking =x LOL

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