Low Quality Dog Food

[MS_PAWS]

Dog food that has (by product, peanut hills, corn) so on list here
http://www.dogfoodproject.com/index....badingredients
Purina
Alpo
Beneful
Purina One
Pro Plan
Dog Chow
Puppy Chow
Pedigree
Nutro
Royal Canin
Eukanuba
Artemis
Kibbles 'n Bits
Diamond
Pro Pac
Nature's Recipe
Iams
Authority
Science Diet

The List goes on. The products are full of grain, sugar things that are not made for dog's systems. I done a lot of research on dog food!! It wasn't pretty at all, the things I discovered about them.

I recommend read two books called
Food Pets Die For: Shocking Facts about Pet Food
http://www.amazon.com/Food-Pets-Die-...018460&sr=1-62

Protect Your Pets: More Shocking Facts
http://www.amazon.com/Protect-Your-P...018460&sr=1-62

[crow_noir]

here's another article for you. I'd say it's more of a rant compared to their usual educational literature. http://www.wysong.net/dontbefooled/100complete.shtml

[Lady's Human]

Before starting this debate again, PLEASE do a search. There are literally hundreds of threads in Dog Health and Dog General on this topic.

[crow_noir]

Looks for the points button... that's right... this board doesn't have those silly things... (Thank goodness.)

I like your reply better than mine Lady's Human.

Before starting this debate again, PLEASE do a search. There are literally hundreds of threads in Dog Health and Dog General on this topic.

[Hellow]

OMG. Now this is why i posted my thread in Dog General about raw food.

[MS_PAWS]

I wanted to post that so everyone keeps in mind. That's great you're feeding Raw. BUT -- I'm just saying theirs better foods out there then ones I list

I'll list the high quality dog food next!

[JenBKR]

Oh goody, ANOTHER dog food thread

[bckrazy]

Weell... it is dog health! Food is a big part of a dog's health!

If it's so bothersome, maybe there should be a sticky at the top with popular (and helpful) dog food threads?

I don't really mind, this thread might help some one.

[dragondawg]

Weell... it is dog health! Food is a big part of a dog's health!

If it's so bothersome, maybe there should be a sticky at the top with popular (and helpful) dog food threads?

I don't really mind, this thread might help some one.

The only time I think about dog food as a health issue is when there is only a little dog food left in the bin. Then I go to the Southern States Coop store for another bag of Propet Large Puppy Formula. At approx 3:30 every day I ask my Clover if she is hungry and she replies with a deep grunted: Woo woo woo, as Barney runs to his food bowl to wait. It's like two well oiled eating machines (maybe the fish oil gel caps helps lubricate?). They eat without complaint, have no allergies, no digestive problems from the food, and are healthy alert 4 yr olds. The local deer population will vouch for that. Previous dog also thrived on the same food for the 11 yrs of her life. Must be the bad brand rice, and corn meal.

Outside of metabolic or disease problems, it's merely a matter of finding a food your dogs will thrive on, and sticking with it. It really is as simple as that. Or you can keep switching the dog to the latest and greatest blog site dog food that's being advertised, throwing in turkey back bones and other assorted items into their diet, only to experience periodic digestive problems ranging from diarrhea, to perforated intestines, or pancreatitis.

The less one worries about dog food or diet, the more likely one's dog is getting proper nutrition. Especially on this forum.

[Vela]

I don't really see a problem in making another thread about dog food when someone is fairly new to the board. Often it does not help to bring up old argumentative threads that people won't open and look at anyway. Perhaps they want to start a new conversation with those who are currently active on the board. Dog food does concern dog health and I see nothing wrong with it. It doesn't need to get argumentative if people just agree to disagree. The information is still good information for those who want to see it and DON'T happen to agree that what you feed your dog doesn't matter. To many of us it does matter, if you don't feel it does, then there is no need for you to get angry about it, just keep feeding what you feed and are happy with. Nobody is making anybody change what they are currently feeding, but learning and other opinions can be important too for those who want to. If you don't want to discuss it, don't open the thread.

[dragondawg]

I don't really see a problem in making another thread about dog food when someone is fairly new to the board. Often it does not help to bring up old argumentative threads that people won't open and look at anyway. Perhaps they want to start a new conversation with those who are currently active on the board. Dog food does concern dog health and I see nothing wrong with it. It doesn't need to get argumentative if people just agree to disagree. The information is still good information for those who want to see it and DON'T happen to agree that what you feed your dog doesn't matter. To many of us it does matter, if you don't feel it does, then there is no need for you to get angry about it, just keep feeding what you feed and are happy with. Nobody is making anybody change what they are currently feeding, but learning and other opinions can be important too for those who want to. If you don't want to discuss it, don't open the thread.

This forum does have a search capacility. Is there something missing from the old threads? New information? Or new misleading information?

You want to look at the latest link to a site strangely supporting itself by selling yet another best dog food? For example there is the claim in the link that started this thread:

Note how in this product the source is not defined as "slaughtered poultry". The rendered fowl can be obtained from any source, so there is no control over quality or contamination. Any kind of animal can be included: "4-D animals" (dead, diseased, disabled, or dying prior to slaughter), turkey, chicken, geese, buzzard, seagulls, misc. roadkill, birds euthanized at shelters and so on.

and yet AAFCO defines by-products as those left over from human food processing. Therefore if one wants to believe the link as the truth, then one must also believe those 4-Ds also pertain to human food on the market.

Or shall we progress onto the idea of perforating intestines with the bones in raw diets? Salmonella toxins in raw turkey and chicken? Frozen bunnies? You know religion of dog feeding? While we are at it maybe we can suggest whether it's more important to spend the money on some exotic dog diet, or having that money around so one can afford Vet care when it matters?- That wouldn't require any facts. By all means let's have another 6 page thread on the fallicies surrounding dog diets.

[bckrazy]

Sorry I took so long to reply... I was on vacation, and I brought my laptop, but the internet connection at the hotel was laaame. D:

The less one worries about dog food or diet, the more likely one's dog is getting proper nutrition. Especially on this forum.

It's great that your dogs love what they eat & they're healthy. Awesome! But... my objective was not to question anyone who feeds this brand or that brand of dog food.

I have to disagree completely with your statement above... completely! Knowledge and education really is a powerful thing. If one was completely careless about their dog's diet, they would probably buy what was cheapest, or what was most aggressively/deceptively advertised. It's common sense.

I totally understand that it can get tiring to see endless dog food threads - especially when many of them disagree with your personal opinions. =0) buuut, that's life. Personally, I am all for people going out and doing research about what they're feeding their pets, and the consequences of poor diet. This is a PET FORUM... obviously, most of us are a little more involved and active in our pet's lives, than the normal pet owner. It annoys me the most when new members are being discouraged from learning more about feeding their dogs a nutritious, species-appropriate diet. That seems a little bit wierd and controlling, IMHO.

[wolfsoul]

I agree with Vela and Erica.

If you don't like the dog food threads, don't look at them. There is nothing wrong with learning more and educating. The fact that the same people continuously bash and berate these threads says more about the people than the subject. EVERYONE knows you don't like these threads; You've made it clear again and again with your not-so-subtle comments. So if you hate them so much, stop looking at them and let the people that DO enjoy them read them.

Currently I freefeed kibble and feed raw meals. The kibble I've been using changes as I find my dogs do better on some than others. Right now it's Innova EVO RM as I've found that Visa in particular does well on this. Whatever it is might be the best food in the world but not every dog will do well on it. Heck I know a dog that can't eat raw, and when I was feeding Visa only one protein source she started to get stringy pads. My dogs do best on raw and I'd feed only raw if I could but it's too expensive for me and it doesn't have enough calories to keep up my dogs' weights. I suppose that is why dogs (way back when) were so thin, no kibble to fatten them up and tons of work to do. Kibble is a lifesaver (and Nutri-Cal sometimes hehe) for keeping weight on my guys. I do love the raw though, without it my dogs do not look nearly as nice. We had the teeth-cleaning people at the shop yesterday, cleaning teeth. The lady says that the dogs with the best teeth are always the raw-fed dogs. I get Visa's teeth cleaned once every two months now that she eats alot of kibble with her raw. They get dirtier alot faster now. It's too bad, but worth what it does for her weight, Skinny Belgians are not so attractive.
Some dogs do better on lower quality foods. I think alot of this has to do with breeding. My co-breeder had some dogs that had digestive issues on high quality kibbles so she would buy store name brands and their stools would harden a bit. These dogs also did alot better on raw however. My very good friend has on dog who does poorly on low quality foods but also can't eat raw. He becomes very sick and throws up meat that has been in his system a long time and is literally rotten when it comes out. He needs to be kept on high quality kibble. My friend's bulldog is the same. The ONLY food she can is is her venison and rice kibble. Nothing else, including raw.
Every dog is different.

[dragondawg]

bcrazy -I have to disagree completely with your statement above... completely! Knowledge and education really is a powerful thing.

And it is my intent to steer these dog food threads into education as opposed to religion of the past.

If one was completely careless about their dog's diet, they would probably buy what was cheapest, or what was most aggressively/deceptively advertised. It's common sense.

The chances are the vast majority of dog owners buy their dog food from a retail food store where they are obtaining their own food. The balance from the Pet store chains. A minority from places like Walmart. Even less than that small minority are buying Granny's Delight Nutural Raw off the web or some small specialty store. The majority of dog owners are completely careless about their dog's diet, and guess what - in spite of it their dogs are getting a healthy diet. Really - we saw the immmediate alerts raised when the Chinese contaminated wheat gluten found its way into some gravy dog foods. But when was the last time one heard thousands of dogs being at risk for eating Purina One?

Personally, I am all for people going out and doing research about what they're feeding their pets, and the consequences of poor diet.

And neither should people be obsessed by their dog's diets. The dog food I feed mine has as its first ingredients: Lamb Meal, brewers rice, yellow ground corn, chicken, gorn gluten meal. Now according to the link that started this thread, outside of the "chicken" all the rest of the ingredients are garbage. But until my 4 yr olds demonstrate health problems that can be directly traced back to the dog food, diet will remain a very minor dog health concern here.

This is a PET FORUM

Correct!

It annoys me the most when new members are being discouraged from learning more about feeding their dogs a nutritious, species-appropriate diet. That seems a little bit wierd and controlling, IMHO.

You want wierd and controlling? Wierd is the idea that through irresponsible breeding we have created genetic disasters in some of the breeds, and yet the pro-active dog owner of the web remains fixated on commercial dog food. Controlling is that any and all dog health issues feed back into diet. Every malady known to dog-kind is related to commercial dog food. I've lost track of the number of threads where no matter what the health issue someone came on and posted "feed raw".