Why make the choice to not have children?

[lisalee]

I can see this is a one-sided conversation going on here. I don't have the time to respond to each of you personally but I do find many of you to be very insulting and also very frightening. The individual that would let the innocent kittens die in a fire is very scarey too and small minded, as many of you seem to be.


I have much more productive things to do with my time than argue on message boards. If there are any more nasty comments directed at myself please send them via pm/email.


My opinions and views are only mine and they are too be respected just as everyone else who posted on this thread, not to be personally attacked.


Lisa & Sash

[Sirrahsim]

Originally posted by lisalee
I can see this is a one-sided conversation going on here. I don't have the time to respond to each of you personally but I do find many of you to be very insulting and also very frightening. The individual that would let the innocent kittens die in a fire is very scarey too and small minded, as many of you seem to be.

Ok- let me spell out what people are concerend about. You said that if you were put into the situation where you could save the life of a human child or of a box of kittens that you would save the kittens. That also means that you would willingly let the human child die. Saving an animal at the expense of a human child's life is a very unsettling thought for nearly everyone here.
Saying that you would let a child die just so that you could save some kittens is saying that you would willingly commit a criminal act against another human just so that you could save a couple of kittens. That is exactly what you said. So do not respond by saying "That's not what I said" If you would like to further explain yourself than please do.

I feel confident in saying that Yes, most of the people here would let the kittens die IF they had to make the choice between the kittens lives or a human life.
What I am not saying is that I would just let kittens die if there was something that I could about it. My question was about a choice- kittens or human child. Most people with a firm grip on reality would choose to save the human child. That's just how it is. It is disturbing to think that ANYONE would save the kittens and let a human child die...
I can't think of any more ways to word this so that you might understand so I will leave it at that.

[trayi52]

Ditto, Missy. If my house was burning, I would save my human children first, then I would go back and save the kittens too. I love my human children, and I love my cats, dogs, bird, ferret and whatever other animal I happen to have. There is no way, that I would not attempt to save them too.

Just think of it this way, we save the children so that someday they may save the life of one of these small lives too. We have to have people, which starts out as babies, to be able to save these animals that you have put such a high value on. We all value the lives of our pets and no doubt we would all do our very best to save them from whatever danger came along.

Willie

[lisalee]

You my dear are going way off the topic you started here. I recall the question being our views on having children?? I stated my views, you attacked and other's followed.



Lisa & Sash

[Sirrahsim]

*sigh* one more time

I did not take this way off topic. You did by making a degrading comment about the value of human life when it was not at all called for. If you hold little value for human life than fine. You are entitled to think whatever you want. However, I am tired of giving you the benefit of the doubt in assuming that you just don't understand what we are trying to say. Your comment was not an informational and helpful one. That on top of the fact that you said that you would be willing to indirectly murder a human child just to save a box of kittens. We all value human life as well as animal life here. I'm sorry that you have no answer to our comments and that you have to resort to changing the subject. This thread is about the decision to have children. If you have any comments about THAT please give them. You threw this off topic by making a radical statement about the value of human life. Nearly everyone in here was offended. That should tell you something. Please read the intro again and if you have any comments to add on the subject matter please do.

[trayi52]

Everybody stayed on topic, lisalee here is where you took it off the topic that sirrahsim started:

I have a deep love of animals and perfer to make this world a better place for them as I grow older. I find it sad that kids/babies are placed so much higher in society than animals. I find people to be selfish that can't open there hearts to let an animal into there home. I find them to be the most selfish.

We all have a deep love for animals too, or we would not be here on this forum. This thread was started by sirrahsim, and what you said had nothing to do with the topic at all. In other words, you hijacked her thread, and added that to her topic.

[CathyBogart]

Oi, can we take this to PM please? I kept my response to a PM. :P

I'd like to add ot the original topic that I would consider *fostering* a child later in life, and Brian has agreed that that is a possibility. If I got too attached to give up the child, well, so be it.

I mean, look at this little boy!! He's darling, but finding him a home is going to be really hard just because he's ten years old...

http://photolisting.adoption.com/9470.html <-info

<-picture by itself

[trayi52]

WolfChan, what was that? My darn computer won't let me go there!

Willie

[CathyBogart]

It's a picture and description of a little boy named Corey who is available for adoption in California. He's ADORABLE, and...

"Corey is a handsome African American boy who is legally free for adoption. Corey is a friendly child who loves to be around others. He attends school and needs some assistance with staying focused on his homework. Corey says that he wants to be adopted and belong to a family."

He's ten years old.

[trayi52]

Oh, he is the same age as a couple of my grandchildren. Fostering children would be very rewarding. There was four children here where I live, two boys and two girl, for some reason the separated the boys from the girls when they fostered them. They were so loving, always had hugs for everybody. The good thing when they finally were adopted, they all went to the same home. I was so very happy for them.

I have took in lots of children into my home, never regretted it either. I have took in teens too, didn't regret that either. Seems like my home has always been full.

Who know, maybe Corey will find a place to go. A forever home, I hope he will find that.

Willie

[CathyBogart]

So do I. Tha'ts why I would consider fostering, there are SO MANY older kids in need. I had no idea how many until I searched for something else and came across this site.

[sirrahbed]

Originally posted by Pam
To be honest, I didn't see any attacks here. I saw people defending their own viewpoints.

I agree Pam....sort of Now all of us being animal owners - and given the topic....haven't we all likely witnessed similar interchange among MOTHER ANIMALS?? (we are humans but can still learn by watching animals) I see a good bit of PROTECTIVENESS being displayed here. Moms protecting children. Younger people reacting because they have received GOOD MOTHERING. I think even the love of animals has to be learned and more than likely, it was learned from someone who nurtured that person. We can't love another creature unless WE have been loved at some time.

All this said, I believe some of what was seen as attacking, was actually protecting and defending. I did not read anything angry or mean.

By the way - even if many of you choose not to be mothers, and I am so sorry if people have made you feel you have to defend this choice - you DON'T! - but you did have a mother - or someone to raise you - and if you still have her, don't forget to remember her next Sunday!
(not a commercial! )

[cloverfdx]

I will stay away from all earlier comments.

There is not a maternal bone in my body, not for a human child.

I myself never want to be a mother. I dont have the time or patience to raise a human child. It would be selfish of me to have children (would need a man, huh not going to happen)

[ramanth]

Originally posted by moosmom
BTW Kimmy, I DO respect your feelings and opinions. It takes a very special kind of person to be a parent. I guess I just don't happen to be one of them,

Balderdash!!! You are a WONDERFUL person. Amy is a very special woman and it obviously reflects on how great a mom you are.

[trayi52]

All in all, this has been a very good thread. I really do respect each and everyone here for their decision to have or not to have children. I have a sister-in-law that never had children. She is a wonderful person.

Just because you don't want children, it doesn't make you any less of a person. Not all of us were meant to be parents of skin kids. Some have their wonderful pets to love. That can be very fullfilling. I love mine like they were my children, and in truth, they are. When one of these beautiful creatures die, and go on. We cry our hearts out, and suffer so much pain from losing our wonderful loving pets. So it seems you all have children, they just got more hair than the skinkids.

I just want you all to know, that I respect each and everyone of you for that.

Willie