Shame On Canada

[PJ's Mom]

Originally posted by carole
I say good on you Lizbud for bringing this to people's attention, the old ostrich head in the sand does not wear with me, I think there are many canadians who are just as apalled by this as most animal loving people are.

I agree.

[lizbud]

Originally posted by Lady's Human
again, please take the urinating contest to PM land.

It can't be a contest with only one pissed off person.

Carole is right, this is not a personal slam on any country, only
a cruel kill of young seals done in the most inhumane way
possible.

Anyone who cannot distinquish between a government and the
governed is bound to misunderstand I guess.

[bluekat]

Sorry, I guess I understand now what you are all trying to say...I've just had a few bad experiences before similar to something like this, when people were trying to bash Canada.

[tortuga55]

Acording to you everything is cruel, how do you walk down the street knowing you are hurting thousands of tiny creatures. Come on people are not perfect, so it takes a couple min. for the seals to die. They could be doing way worse things to the seals. Dont you think animals slowly dieing from polution and loss of habitat is worse. Sure the seal is killed but you can not say that the hunters are purposly killing the seals as slow as possible. If you are going to call seal hunting cruel then you need to attack fishing, pesticide spraying, and what about antibiotics. Antibiotics weaken the protective layer of viruses allowing them to be distroyed. Is that not cruel? Death is natural. We live in a world were it happens every day, but society has labeled death as horible and unneccesary. All things die, you cant stop it.

I think it is cruel (by all of your definitions) to put me down so often, and not listen to my opinion. You getting mad at me protecting my opinion and country is really quite ironic because you are also always defending your opinions and protecting your country. I bet if I outright said something bad about your countries you would react the exact same way I have. You are the ones with your head in the sand, I listened and thought about all of your opinions, and stated why I did not feel the same way as you. But no one has extended that same curtisy to me. Lets just say I have not had a warm welcoming to Pet Talk and will not be recomending it to anyone.

[doodlebug]

I am new to Pet Talk and have just read the entire form, do you always attack each other like you do on this thread? I mean its sad that seals have to die but why be so mean about your opinion?

[Suki Wingy]

Because most of us here on Pet Talk have VERY srtong oppinions we feel we need to get across.

[king2005]

Asif this thread is still alive.

& the bickering should only happen in the Doghouse. Thats kinda what its for.

this type of behaviur isn't permitted in the regular threads, it does happen, but not too often.

Its when u start getting NASTY PMs, is whan its getting personal & out of control.

but I think its about time, we let this thread die, cause its never gonna end.

[Suki Wingy]

Nationalism is one of the main causes of war.
Poor seals. If they did this in America I'd want to leave it even more than I do now!
oh, yeah, and edited to add that I think because you guys are so proud of your nation, (it's who you are) you seem to take this as a personal bashing to YOU and then you start to tell yourself that it isn't really all that bad because other nations do stuff the same and worse, when really it is ALL cruel and needs to be talked about.

[Suki Wingy]

*deepbreaths* Trying very hard not to loose my temper! You people are focusing on CANADA and not the topic of this thread, BABY SEALS!

[carole]

Suki Wingy I feel exactly as you do, completely exasperated by this thread and the people who keep coming back and defending it and Canada, actually I can say this honestly, I would NOT defend my country if it were doing this, or anything else, I would be the first to jump in and stand up against it.

There is nothing wrong with genuine loyalty to one's country, but when it goes beyond my beliefs, that can go out the window as far as I am concerned.

You can bash my country as much as you like, if it is condoning cruelty to animals, or doing anything that is considered abhorrent to others,I would explain why my country does this, and then tell you how I felt about it and why.

For goodness sake Lizbud change the title of this thread, then maybe it will apease those who have their nose's out of joint so much.

For those of you who are new here, Pet Talk is a wonderful place, there are controversial subjects which are discussed, and often become a debate, mostly it is done with maturity, but emotions do run high sometimes and feelings get hurt, IMO this thread has not got out of hand, for those who's opinions differ from mine, fine with me, I just have to continue with mine too, as I am concerned with the welfare of the seals, not about a few people who choose to take this so personally and change the whole thread completely. again it is not about YOU, it is about the darn SEALS.

I don't believe in sending nasty PM'S , anything I have to say , I say here. I am not ashamed of anything I have written in my posts, nor do I feel I owe anyone an apology, I am just getting oh so tired of seeing this thread become something it is NOT.

[tortuga55]

Originally posted by carole

There is nothing wrong with genuine loyalty to one's country, but when it goes beyond my beliefs, that can go out the window as far as I am concerned.

Well, I believe that animals were put on this earth to be used, enjoyed, and taken care of by people. If someone wants to make a living off seals or have a seal coat. Fine so long as the animal is not tortured or hunted to the point of extinction, and I feel that most of the seals are killed as fast as humanly posible, and those that are not killed as quickly as one would like, is sad, true, but no one is perfect. I know you all dont like hunting of any kind, but hunting is natural, I personaly dont hunt, but I have taken Archery and rifle lessions. The first time I tried archery a doe and her fawn were in the field grazing, they were so pritty, eventually they left (unharmed), it was so cool. I understand if you are a vegitarian but not everyone is and hunting is normal for them, I personally love steak and prarie deer, buffloo, and I hate forest deer and fish. I dont bash you for not eating meat dont get mad at me for eating meat and believing in hunting. I started defending my country because right from the start great emphasis was put on the fact that the seals were in Canada. You get mad at me defending my counrtry saying I am missing the point (what point is "the" point there is more than one out there, why do you usume yours is the right point!) but you are missing my point, I believe in hunting, and I accept it why do you think that I am not getting it I am, and I am ok with it. I am ok with you not having my opinion, I keep on writing because I have a problem with you thinking that I am apsolutly positivly wrong. I try to write on this board in a way that shows you why I think the way I do not in a way that atempts to dissprove you opinion. I dont like people thinking I am close minded and not looking at all the facts. I have looked at all the facts and listened and thought about your opinions and points and I stick by my opinion. Your opinions are all good but they come from (or seem to) the view point of all hunting is bad, and I dont think like that. I am not aiming to accept my opinion I am for you accepting that I have a different opinion and that I could be right. My opinions so far have been looked at as totaly wrong with no way of being true, that is wrong and close minded. Anything is possible maybe the seal hunt is cruel maybe it is not. You cant judge one as totaly wrong and the other as totaly right, because we dont know, only god knows for sure. I will put my money on that it is not cruel and you will put yours on that it is. Stop bashing me for what I think is right. Police are trained to know that by shooting a person in the head will kill them instantly, I bet a seal getting hit in the head with a club has the same effect. You can not expect every single seal to die instantly it is imposible, not even with drugs could that be possible. If the situation was different, like if the seals were tied up to die on the ice flows to starve, or if they were cut and left purposly to bleed to death then ya I would get mad too. But they are killed quickly.

[carole]

I will try to keep this short and sweet and to the point if I can, since you have directed your comments mostly to me, although I am not the only person who has had a different opinion to your's, infact my opinion is the majority here, but of course it does not make it right or you wrong, of course I respect your values and opinion, but actually I think you are the one who is being close minded here, you support your country no matter what, you are young and have a lot of growing to do yet, I think as you mature you will see things in different lights, because of your life experiences,not so black and white, there is nothing wrong about what you are saying, I have no problem with it, it is how you feel, all good and well, I just find it tiring to keep going on and on about the same point, when this thread is not about how you or I really feel about the seals, it is what is being done to them, really that is my only concern, I could not care less which country is responsible, just that hopefully it will be done humanely, we just keep going around in circles repeating ourselves, I am not going to beat my head against a brick wall, after a while it begins to hurt, I respectively agree to disagree on this topic with you, and hope that we both let the thread continue on in a manner that is not destructive and about the real topic.

I do take exception to your comments that I have been bashing you,if that is how you percieve it , then I am truely sorry about that, I am not the sort of person who goes into a thread trying to offend someone, just ask around , I have been on PT for over 2 years, and I have always tried to listen to both sides of the story.

This is not bashing IMO it is debating, which happens alot on PT ,however whether it has turned from what I consider a healthy debate to something else I am not sure, if you take it so personally that is usually what happens.

Ok enough said, if you wish to keep debating this point, I would prefer not to and just leave it as is,I have no desire to keep battling it out about whether I disagree with you, or whether the thread is canadian bashing, I am sticking to my opinion and you to yours. fine with me ok.