Fahrenheit 911 - For those who've seen it

[Soledad]

ES!! You're breaking my heart. It's too bad you don't have your own fan club on PT like RICHARD. Maybe you should be more non-sensical and talk out of your a** more often.

[popcornbird]

Originally posted by Soledad
ES!! You're breaking my heart. It's too bad you don't have your own fan club on PT like RICHARD. Maybe you should be more non-sensical and talk out of your a** more often.

She does have a fan club! ME! I don't think I have ever found any disagreement with what Sara has had to say in the Dog House. She's breaking my heart too!!

You are all SO unfair to not defend Sara.........so unfair.

[slick]

Originally posted by Edwina's Secretary
Gosh, I really feel very unloved! All the aspersions that have been cast at me in the course of political discussion on here and no one has EVER rushed to my defense!

Sara: as much as you and Richard argue, I do believe there is an element of respect between you and I've never seen either one of you openly insult each other intentionally. Wilson, on the other hand, has just joined and has chosen to immediately attack Richard without even knowing him. What else can I say except, Sara, next time I see you, I'll buy you a drink!!!

[Soledad]

Yes, Sara, I think that the issue really is that Wilson was a newcomer and immediately launched into RICHARD.

When I've had my arguments with RICHARD no one rushed to my defense either (though I do recall a number of others chiming in that they "agree with RICHARD 100%"). We can start our own club.

[WilsonVB]

“The difference between Islamic Jihad and American Politics is only one person gets hurt when the American's head explodes.”

Of course no Moslem could possibly find this remark insulting could they?

“Wilson, with all due respect, Richard is a friend of many people here and when you insult him, you are insulting us too!”

If “our gang” determines the measure of ‘acceptability’, I suppose there’s no arguing with that kind of logic given that an insult passes muster and truth is made the victim.

Nice visiting PT, but surrender of the freedom to respond to an insult on the basis of a ‘clique’ mentality insults more than simply the slur against Islam, it offends the founding principles found in the American constitution.

Please continue, I won’t be bothering you again.

[Soledad]

Please stay. I agree with your points and have found the info you provided very useful. Everyone with a strong opinion that could be construed as left of center gets into it with RICHARD. It's sort of an initiation rite.

[gini]

Originally posted by Soledad
ES!!. Maybe you should be more non-sensical and talk out of your a** more often.

Soledad, is that REALLY necessary? What have you accomplished?

Great, you played your trump card. Now what will you do?

So your intellectual discussion has come down to this?

Seems to me there are just too many "notes" in this music. The brilliant symphony has gone sour.

WilsonVB take your six posts with you please!

[Soledad]

Originally posted by gini
Soledad, is that REALLY necessary? What have you accomplished?

Great, you played your trump card. Now what will you do?

So your intellectual discussion has come down to this?

Seems to me there are just too many "notes" in this music. The brilliant symphony has gone sour.

WilsonVB take your six posts with you please!

I'm sorry to have disappointed you, truly. You're one of my favorites here. But I don't understand why you don't ask the same thing of RICHARD when he relentlessly and regularly bulldozes through everyone elses' opinions.

[Soledad]

I thought I'd start a thread for those who have actually seen the movie to discuss how they felt about it.

May I remind you all that this was the reason why I started this thread. The notes went sour in my opinion when RICHARD derailed the thread entirely and completely ignored the purpose of it.

[Karen]

Originally posted by Edwina's Secretary
Gosh, I really feel very unloved! All the aspersions that have been cast at me in the course of political discussion on here and no one has EVER rushed to my defense!

You aren't unloved, sweetie - it's just that some of us stay out of the discussion when it turns political, partisan, and not-so-nice! In fact some folks stay out of the Dog House altogether!

[lbaker]

I consider myself to be quite a bit left of center, and in fact the only Bush I want to see in the White House is in the back yard garden of the House my taxes pay for and has roses on it. Sara's political opinions - and Jonza's - are quite similar to mine.. but I draw the line (in the sand that in some places should be blasted into glass, but I digress) I draw the line at infantile personal slurs. Jousting among friends, YES! Comments like "sharing a litterbox"?? ... get over yourself "Wilson". That's it. End of story

[WilsonVB]

“(in the sand that in some places should be blasted into glass, but I digress)”

No you haven’t lbaker, your hatred for what you’re incapable of understanding and support for the use of the nuclear ‘solution’ comes shining through clear as a bell.

“Fahrenheit 9/11” doesn’t suggest for a moment that anything and everything the world is faced with having to “live with” coming out of that “sand” (you’d scorch into glass) should be granted carte blanche. What in fact it suggests is that the greed and manipulation of petroleum interests is intimately tied to that “sand” (read Saudi Arabia). Scorch that sand and exterminate the “problem”, is the solution of the tyrannical and puts you on the same level of those whom you wish to kill. How very “leftist” or is that “liberal” of you!

I can hardly wait for another lecture from Karen on the inappropriateness of “personalizing” comments.

Great little Gulag you’ve got running here! Just chock full of kind gentle people advocating the incineration of millions as a solution!

[KYS]

posted by Wilson: I can hardly wait for another lecture from Karen on the inappropriateness of “personalizing” comments.
Great little Gulag you’ve got running here! Just chock full of kind gentle people advocating the incineration of millions as a solution! >>>>>>>>>>>>

First, this is Karen's web sight. She tries her best to
keep this web site friendly as possible.


2nd, I do not now anything about you and you certainly
have a right to post your opinion thanks to
freedom of speach.
I also think Richard can take care of himself.
But what I do find rather strange, that it seems that
you have simply joined Pet Talk to only express
your political views.
I noticed only 1 post that was not politically
motivated on the cat thread about your kitty Pooka.
I found this rather strange since this
is basically a PET web sight.
If I am wrong, than please start including
some posts about yourself and your pets so
we can get to know you better.

[jonza]

I think the main problem is that Richard's "style" has a tendency to reinforce the increasingly wide spread idea of America as an intolerant and self-absorbed nation. At least for those of us who don't know him, in fact for a lot of people who aren't American. That's sad, as it obviously isn't true. I've got more or less used to it, but consider it very irritating, negative and counterproductive. There is seldom any rational argument or logic in the posts, they are just confusing, rude and offensive to other nationalities. This has often put me off, and I have cut down on my Pet Talk participation exactly because of this.

I'll never forget my first incursion into the Dog House. Here's a couple of quotes from some of Richards replies: "kick ass and take over denmark tour dates have not been given out yet … i'll post them when they become available", and: "just wait a few months and you can state your opinions to the US armed forces, when they come to take over your country".
And from others: "more than I can say about those little insignificant countries who sit on their duff and wait for everyone else around them to keep the world safe".

These are acceptable then???

If Richard is going to be constantly arrogant, sarcastic and insulting to people, why do others not have the right to retaliate in kind without getting mobbed by his fan club? It all gets a bit one-sided doesn't it? Where's the tolerance and open-mindedness that the world needs so much more of? Richard's way of discussing political matters is a very bad advertisement for what the majority of Americans stand for. Don't forget, the Internet is an INTERNATIONAL forum, and Americans are, after all, only 4,54% of the worlds population. We've all got to somehow work it out together, with a bit more respect for our differences. You can't have "globalization" and unilateralism at the same time. That in itself is hypocritical.

This may be an American based forum (and very well run), but I think we should all respect the fact that we come from widely varied countries and cultures, and have many different opinions on the worlds' problems.

Richard - is it worth all these misunderstandings just to get a cheap laugh and a bit of applause from your fan club? Presumably it is.


… and by the way WilsonVB, although it's nice to know there are others who feel so strongly about all this, I didn't notice any "hatred for what you’re incapable of understanding and support for the use of the nuclear solution" in lbakers post. Or are you just being deliberately provocative?

[WilsonVB]

Two wrongs don’t make a right. Two wrongs only make a bigger wrong.

I regret the ‘gulag’ comment and apologize to Karen for this hurtful remark.

I believe our existence as beings is a dynamic interaction and interrelationship between and among all things all beings and all life. In a private communication with Karen I suggested that if we all applied the same availability to kindness tolerance, and empathy toward one another as we’re more than prepared to extend to our pets, perhaps the propensity we often seem to exhibit in offering rash statements in the heat of passionate debate might be filtered through that same sensitivity ‘filter’ we use in our interrelationships with our animal companions.

An unkind or hurtful word once spoken can’t be ‘unspoken’. I can only examine my conscience and acknowledge that this behavior fails to reflect the respect and wonder I embrace for all living creatures. Failing to extend the greatest respect for life, for all life, and for the burdensome experiences people from different and in many ways ‘strange’ cultures must bear hurts us all.

I have not been very ‘successful’ in my few contributions to Pet Talk in furthering the notion of peace and tolerance and I owe everyone an apology.

Please accept my sincerest apologies and encourage each other to kindness love and respect in every way we each can by carefully weighing the impact our words may carry to other folk.

Peace and Respect to All