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    Here's what I think about the whole thing.

    http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald...cs/9567757.htm

    Posted on Fri, Sep. 03, 2004

    Bush Glosses Over Complex Facts in Speech

    CALVIN WOODWARD

    Associated Press

    NEW YORK - President Bush glossed over some complicating realities in Iraq, Afghanistan and the home front in arguing the case Americans are safer and his opponent cannot deliver.

    On Iraq, Bush talked of a 30-member alliance standing shoulder to shoulder with the United States, masking the fact that U.S. troops are pulling by far most of the weight. On Afghanistan and its neighbors, he gave an accounting of captured or killed terrorists, but did not address the replenishment of their ranks - or the still-missing Osama bin Laden.

    Bush's acceptance speech Thursday night conveyed facts that told only part of the story, hardly unusual for this most political of occasions.

    He took some license in telling Americans that Democratic opponent John Kerry "is running on a platform of increasing taxes."

    Kerry would, in fact, raise taxes on the richest Americans but as part of a plan to keep the Bush tax cuts for everyone else and even cut some of them more. That's not a tax-increase platform any more than Bush's plan for private retirement accounts is a platform to reduce Social Security benefits.

    And on education, Bush voiced an inherent contradiction, dating back to his 2000 campaign, in stating his stout support for local control of education, yet promising to toughen federal standards that override local decision-making.

    "We are insisting on accountability, empowering parents and teachers, and making sure that local people are in charge of their schools," he said, on one hand. Yet, "we will require a rigorous exam before graduation."

    On Iraq, Bush derided Kerry for devaluing the alliance that drove out Saddam Hussein and is trying to rebuild the country. "Our allies also know the historic importance of our work," Bush said. "About 40 nations stand beside us in Afghanistan, and some 30 in Iraq."

    But the United States has more than five times the number of troops in Iraq than all the other countries put together. And, with 976 killed, Americans have suffered nearly eight times more deaths than the other allies combined.

    Bush aggressively defended progress in Afghanistan, too. "Today, the government of a free Afghanistan is fighting terror, Pakistan is capturing terrorist leaders ... and more than three-quarters of al-Qaida's key members and associates have been detained or killed. We have led, many have joined, and America and the world are safer."

    Nowhere did Bush mention bin Laden, nor did he account for the replacement of killed and captured al al-Qaida leaders by others.

    He attacked Kerry for voting against an $87 billion package for Iraq and Afghanistan operations that included money for extra sets of body armor and other supplies, mocking his opponent for saying the issue was complicated. "There's nothing complicated about supporting our troops in combat," Bush said.

    But the bill in question was not solely about supporting troops and Kerry's campaign said he ultimately voted against it because, among other reasons, it included no-bid contracts for companies.

    Kathleen Hall Jamieson, who tracks the accuracy of campaign rhetoric at the University of Pennsylvania's Annenberg School for Communication, said Bush overstepped on a few claims about Kerry.

    "The speech distorts Kerry's positions by suggesting that he opposed Medicare reform when he instead favored an alternative, and opposed tax cuts for all when he in fact supported the middle class cuts and opposed cuts for those making more than $200,000," she said.

    And on Bush's second-term domestic initiatives, she was not surprised to find missing dollar signs.

    "One expects acceptance speeches to make grand promises without specifying the ways that the money will be raised to pay for them," she said. "This speech is no exception."

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    I was dissapointed in Bush's speech. It seemed like nothing special, just a standard speech he probably gives 10 times a week. Just watching him speak turns my stomach.

    And the $87,000,000,000.00 - come on! To say John Kerry doesn't support American troops is just absurd. John Kerry voted against the funding package because Bush didn't provide a way to pay for it. His concerns are well founded. The national debt is out of control, as is Bush's budget deficit. And it's people my age who have to worry about inheriting it. Anyway, the bill Kerry preferred would have simply passed the funding but offset it by rolling back tax cuts for those making over $200,000 a year. (http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/co...1flipflop.html). George W. Bush himself threatened to veto $87 billion in funding for operations in Iraq. If the money wasn't provided in exactly the way Bush requested, he threatened to veto the bill. In other words, Bush did the exact same thing that he is criticizing Kerry for doing. Bush argued for a particular set of requirements for how the money would be appropriated and was willing to oppose the funding package if he didn't get his way (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/...in580877.shtml). Kerry's vote was not a flip-flop. He voting for a spending proposal when it was responsibly funded and against it when it wasn't. That does not show indecision. It shows a basic understanding about public policy. I don't believe here is anything contradictory or weak about changing your vote based on how things are funded.

    Can't wait 'til the August jobs report comes out today.

    Can't wait until the 1,000th American casualty in Iraq is named (http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...casualties.htm).

    Can't wait to see Ben Barnes on 60 Minutes on September 12th.

    Can't wait until Kitty Kelley's book comes out 14th September.

    Can't wait until Fahreheit 9/11 comes out on DVD October 5th.

    Can't wait until November 2nd.


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    Can't wait until the 1,000th American casualty in Iraq is named (http://www.globalsecurity.org/milit..._casualties.htm).
    You can't wait?? I'm sure our soldiers appreciate your great support.

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    I can't wait for the public reaction. It's already happened, but they don't make it official until the names are released.

    Come on, of course I didn't mean it like that.

    That's another thing that bugs me - when people assume because I don't support the President, I don't support the troops. The current administration would like you to believe I'm a traitor because I want to get the coalition troops out of harm's way and bring them home ASAP.

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    I was only responding to what you wrote, and it certainly appeared that you were "hoping" for more deaths in order to make the President look bad. I prefer other ways of making a person look bad than that. Unfortunately, in forums like this, when reading, it is hard to tell what one means. Of course we all want our soldiers to come home safely! I appreciate their dedication and loyalty to this country during a period that we need to defend it against terrorism.

    And if Kitty Kelley's book is the way we choose to elect a President, then this country is in a heap more trouble than we thought. I liked this quote that I found on the internet regarding her writing. I guess we can find and believe whatever we want to in the long run:

    Kitty Kelley (born April 4, 1942) is an American author, journalist and biographer — famous for her tabloid-esque approach to biography writing, and her books often contain many embarrassing and sordid anecdotes about the people she profiles. Kelley will name some sources, conceals other if she feels it necessary, passes on some rumors and scotches some others. Like most muckrakers Kelley's truthfulness has been called into question. She has had the tables turned on her by George Carpozi, Jr. with his 1997 book Poison Pen -- but it likely didn't have the effect expected Her most famous biographies were of Frank Sinatra, Nancy Reagan, and the British Royal Family. One on the Bush family is due in 2004, after Labor Day. Less famous are her books on Elizabeth Taylor and Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis.

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    Honey, Bill Clinton is stealing all our press with his damn heart.....

    DO SOMETHING!!!!!!
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    http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...ry_1&printer=1

    This story made me smile....

    Nothing like getting the blessing to prance around the Carribean
    naked as a newborn....


    I'm sure Ms Kerry Heinz wouldn't mind to show us how....
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    Don't even get me started on "the pickle and ketchup lady!" What an embarrassment she would be as a first lady. She may have a big bank account but the woman has no class.

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    I think it would be a nice change to have a first lady who isn't a doormat for her barbaric and misogynistic husband! One who knows something of the world and is willing to speak her OWN mind and not just parrot the ignorance around her!

    Laura is just such a .....nothing....

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    Couldn't disagree more!

    But Sara, tell us how you really feel.

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    Re: Here's what I think about the whole thing.

    Originally posted by lizzielou742
    [url]Can't wait until the 1,000th American casualty in Iraq is named
    The ignorance of that statement is unbelievable! And I wonder why I have pretty much stopped posting....

    Stupid statements like this one give anti-war people a bad name.


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  12. Just don't understand why vapid would be preferable to zesty. Spare us another Nancy Reagan gazing -- as if in a trance -- at her husband. I'll take a Betty Ford any day!

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    Originally posted by Edwina's Secretary
    One who knows something of the world and is willing to speak her OWN mind and not just parrot the ignorance around her!

    So she speaks of her own ignorance?



    I love zesty women, a little ketchup and MMMMMMM GOOD!
    Last edited by RICHARD; 09-24-2004 at 05:19 PM.
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    Originally posted by Edwina's Secretary
    I'll take a Betty Ford any day!
    SO....
    I guess that leaves me with a....

    Tricia Toyota!!


    I came home one night tuned my T.V. in
    my favorite show was about to begin
    as I was scanning across the dial
    I saw her read the news with delectable style
    Then I was sure that within a while

    I was Stuck
    Stuck in a pagoda
    with Tricia Toyota
    I'm Stuck
    We were watching Abe Vigoda
    then every thing will be fine

    Later that night we went for a drive
    and I can say I never felt more alive
    taking in the sights of old Tokyo
    with Tricia by my side and money to blow
    I knew then I never wanted to let her go

    -----------------------------------------------


    Tricia Toyota is a real person. She was a newsanchor for CBS for years, here in the southland. She was a source of bitterness to my old girlfriend. I wanted to get a personalized license plate with "Tricia" on it for my new TOYOTA truck......

    After a few days of fighting with the GF about "who is this Tricia??" I explained it to her, when she agreed, I gave up.....

    The secret of life is nothing at all
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    Hey you, don't tell me there's no hope at all -
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    First

    Tah-raise-sa wants the kids in the Carribean to run around in the buff,

    Then
    John-boy insults the acting Bigwig of Iraq when he
    offers his thanks the the Senate, Congress and People of America for sending troops to his country..

    Tsk, Tsk Senor Kerry!

    That's why they call it foreign RELATIONS....
    You have to get along with the other kids in the class.


    Those wild and crazy kids!

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    One thing about Nancy Reagan.

    She was a class act during the week that Ronald died. No matter what her politics are, who her husband was or how she 'gazed' at
    her hubby...............

    Nothing touched me more than watching her break down on the casket on the day of the funeral.

    I think every woman wants to be the First Lady....

    Second place is no fun.
    The secret of life is nothing at all
    -faith hill

    Hey you, don't tell me there's no hope at all -
    Together we stand
    Divided we fall.

    I laugh, therefore? I am.

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