Milo and Otis- What a HORRIBLE movie!!!!

[slleipnir]

I was just about ot post that link wolfsoul lol

[Desert Arabian]

Originally posted by Shelteez2
It wasn't that long ago when westerns were made and they used trip wires to make the horses fall when they were "shot".
A lot of those horses didn't make it out un-injured.

HUH!? How long ago was this!? I have never heard about "trip wires" for horses. They are trained to fall when there are shooting scenes. I have seen how it is done with my own eyes. It is a special reining and leg technique the rider does to make the horse buckle up and fall on it's side, while the rider quickly dismounts in a fashion where they (and the horse) are not injured, yet makes it appear that the rider was thrown from the horse.

I am going to browse around for this "trip wire" technique...never heard of it before, I want to know about it, *crosses fingers that is never existed*....


ALSO...

I did not know that Milo & Otis was filmed in Japan and parts were edited out of the movie. So Cass, I can see why you are so concerned. The movie does sound fishy now. Let's just hope that the animals were just really good actors, it's too sad to think that animals could be harmed like that in a movie...you'd think that they'd be smart enough not to do that.... Sorry Cass (and anyone else) if I upset you at all about this! Good thing I got rid of that movie a loooooooooong time ago.

[Shelteez2]

Originally posted by YellowLabLover
HUH!? How long ago was this!? I have never heard about "trip wires" for horses. They are trained to fall when there are shooting scenes. I have seen how it is done with my own eyes. It is a special reining and leg technique the rider does to make the horse buckle up and fall on it's side, while the rider quickly dismounts in a fashion where they (and the horse) are not injured, yet makes it appear that the rider was thrown from the horse.

I am going to browse around for this "trip wire" technique...never heard of it before, I want to know about it, *crosses fingers that is never existed*....

It was back in the early days of making movies. I heard about it on an episode of The World of Horses (a TV show). They were showing how horses are trained to fall now, and told about how they were made to fall then.

I have seen it done too. But it wasn't always the way. It was before there were laws for the way animals were treated on movie sets.

[boscibo]

I have heard or read somewhere that there were some questionable shots (most notably the kitten being thrown off a cliff, and the kitten in the river scene) in the Milo and Otis movie, so I wouldn't assume it was all shot humanely. I haven't seen this movie, the stories I heard about it totally turned me off to it.

Trip wires were very common in westerns and other movies, and it really hasn't been that long since they were outlawed. In the movie The Man From Snowy River (1982), a pregnant mare was run off a cliff and killed. One clue as to whether or not trip wires were used: If you see the horse getting to its feet after a fall, it was trained. If you don't see the horse get up onscreen, a trip wire was probably used. Many, many horses were killed or permanently injured using this technique in movies.

[luckies4me]

Originally posted by kevinrats
Chill. It's a movie, and I'm sure they had some type of Animal Cruelty Laws in movies back then. Otherwise, what's stopping people from killing animals and stuff in movies? Some sicko probably would if there were'nt any laws.

How do you know its real? Do you have actual proof? They did have special effects back then you know. It was made in the 70's or close to there I think? Maybe not. It's in color though.

I never said they didn't have special effects, in fact I mentioned that the film DID use special effects.

If you read the link WolfSoul posted you will find that in Japan not much is done to protect animals. Here let me repost the link in case you didn't see that:

http://www.alive-net.net/english/en-law/Oliver.html

[kevinrats]

Huh? You'd think Japan would have this really ahead of us! That's pretty bad...

But I was just thinking, would they show a movie like that in the U.S. if there was Animal Cruelty? Maybe, I'm not sure. Do you know?

[K9soul]

Apparently scenes were cut out before showing the movie in the US because they were thought to be "too dramatic" for western viewers.

I had no idea about that mare incident in the Man from Snowy River. I remember being awed by the scenery in that movie.

[luckies4me]

Originally posted by kevinrats
Huh? You'd think Japan would have this really ahead of us! That's pretty bad...

But I was just thinking, would they show a movie like that in the U.S. if there was Animal Cruelty? Maybe, I'm not sure. Do you know?

That's why they edited out certain portions of the movie.

[Dogz]

I didn't get a chance to watch it.

Eh, it's still adorable.

[Twisterdog]

Originally posted by Shelteez2
It wasn't that long ago when westerns were made and they used trip wires to make the horses fall when they were "shot".
A lot of those horses didn't make it out un-injured.

Laws have changed now, but perhaps back then they were different, especially in a different country.

That's true, trip wires were very common. And, I don't know how they do it now, but I don't see how they can train horses to run in a group at full speed and suddenly fall, one after the other. It looks like very painful falling, too! I saw a movie a couple months ago, "The Missing", and I was cringing at what some of those poor horses appeared to go through.

[Crikit]

All right everyone just needs to chill out about this okay...it's a movie okay. I personally have never seen it but that's because I don't find movies that just show scenes of animals with cheesy naration all that enjoyable...so kill me.

Unless you were there, you have no idea how the animals were treated...and don't go quoting the stuff about how the Japanese not having animal laws, because you know what? Just because they have lax rules regarding animals doesn't mean that there aren't still people who care about animals as much as or more then we do.

For all you know the crew for the movie could have been crawling with animal lovers, but like I said you don't know that, you can't know that...unless of course you somehow manage to build a time machine ala back to the future and go back in time to see them film the movie, but really that wouldn't be all that useful unless of course you can speak Japanese.

But honestly just take a chill pill people, there are more important things to worry about then how the animals were treated in a movie that was made in the early 80's and who have all most likely passed on to the RB.

Now if you'll excuse me I must now go and spend time in my happy place.

[carole]

I have to say Crickit I find your attitude very complacent, yes this movie was made some years ago,however if the facts are that the animals were indeed mis-treated, and I AGREE with you that we should be stating facts/not maybe's, then indeed telling everyone just to take a chill pill,and that it's only a movie, kinda rubs me up the wrong way, because if everyone took that attitude, nothing would ever chance in our society, burying our head in the sand , does not change anything, it's people like Cass, who really can make a difference, by kicking up a stink about this particular movie may mean no more are made like that.
YES it maybe too late for this movie, but not for those to come.

Would be nice to know the complete facts for sure, but I think the fact that people on PT are getting a tad emotional and upset that maybe this movie did include abuse of animals is a positive step in the right direction, it has made me think ,next time I watch an animal story ,and not necessarily sit on my butt and do nothing about what I see if it expoilts animals in anyway.

It reminds me of the time a local circus was visiting and the dogs were in cages out in the hot sun, I did not just sit there and do nothing, I picked up the phone and reported it.

Well enough said, this is purely my opinion.
P.S I have to add I find this a very happy place to be, sorry you don't, this is not an argument, merely a debate with varied opinions.

[Crikit]

Originally posted by carole
I have to say Crickit I find your attitude very complacent, yes this movie was made some years ago,however if the facts are that the animals were indeed mis-treated, and I AGREE with you that we should be stating facts/not maybe's, then indeed telling everyone just to take a chill pill,and that it's only a movie, kinda rubs me up the wrong way, because if everyone took that attitude, nothing would ever chance in our society, burying our head in the sand , does not change anything, it's people like Cass, who really can make a difference, by kicking up a stink about this particular movie may mean no more are made like that.
YES it maybe too late for this movie, but not for those to come.

Would be nice to know the complete facts for sure, but I think the fact that people on PT are getting a tad emotional and upset that maybe this movie did include abuse of animals is a positive step in the right direction, it has made me think ,next time I watch an animal story ,and not necessarily sit on my butt and do nothing about what I see if it expoilts animals in anyway.

It reminds me of the time a local circus was visiting and the dogs were in cages out in the hot sun, I did not just sit there and do nothing, I picked up the phone and reported it.

Well enough said, this is purely my opinion.
P.S I have to add I find this a very happy place to be, sorry you don't, this is not an argument, merely a debate with varied opinions.

Carole, it's okay that you find my post to be complacent, because some of it was. I'm not telling people to roll over and ignore stuff that they see in movies or real life that might harm animals. I was just pointing out that it's to late to do anything about this particular movie due to the fact that it's over 20 years old, and was made in a foreign country, so it would be a good idea for people to just relax before someone says something that they don't mean.

The reason I did my post was NOT to tell people to just totally forget what could have happened. It was more to get people to stop making assumptions about how the animals were treated in a country they've never been to that has different cultural values. And a decade where things like this were still looked on differently then they are today.

Did anyone stop to think that maybe the parts that were edited out of the American version of the movie weren't parts that they would find to gruesome but maybe parts that an american audience wouldn't understand from a cultural aspect? I personally have seen plenty of Japanese and movies from other Asian countries and the things that they have in their movies can be very confusing for one who doesn't understand how the country functions or the different customs that they use. True a couple of the movies I've seen have been banned in North America due to the violence in them but those were movies that were considered to be contraversial there as well.

Oh and before I forget I do find the board to be a happy place. My comment was more of a joke...that's my type of sense of humor, those who know me can probably relate to that.

[zippy-kat]

Originally posted by Crikit
Did anyone stop to think that maybe the parts that were edited out of the American version ...[were] parts that an american audience wouldn't understand from a cultural aspect?

Good point!! and...

Originally posted by Crikit
those who know me can probably relate to that.

I have no smurfin' idea what your talkin' about!


I have not seen the movie in quite a few years but at the time enjoyed it.

[K9soul]

You know what I think one of the problems is, is that some people who really enjoyed the movie might be feeling a bit accused of enjoying animal cruelty. I know that if a movie I had always loved was suddenly pointed out to have cruel things in the making or unethical, I would probably feel really torn and bummed out. I might feel attacked too if I still liked the movie, and wonder if others are passing judgement on me as a person because I do like it.

I'm just trying to look at things from the other side of the fence here. That's why I feel it is very important to be sure and not denounce anyone for liking the movie. Often when I sit down to a movie I trust the makers were ethical in the making of it and I try to just enjoy it and not worry about such things. Some people when they watch a film are more noticing of things and more questioning as to how that was achieved. I don't think either way is bad!

I think it's best when bringing something like this to light, if one tries to keep it factual and try not to 'attack' others for liking it because then it's most likely what you are presenting will be brushed off as overemotionalism.

These are my opinions and are not meant to be aimed at anyone at all