Gays and Gay Marriages

**heinz57_79** · 11-05-2004, 05:24 PM

Kay, Bella's nephew has anything but a girlish figure. hehe He's about 6'5", probably 200+ lbs, and VERY goth.

He takes more time to get ready in the morning than I do! He's also started doing a teen drag show at Wingspan, our local GLBT meeting place/support center.

It's a far cry from when I was in high school. I was overseas and almost got thrown out of school because of "rumours" going around that I was gay.

As for kids in the DH... I'm thinking maybe you should have to be 16+ or something. But then, I don't really care. 13 or 63, as long as you're MATURE enough to carry on a decent conversation or debate.

**Tonya** · 11-05-2004, 07:05 PM

Originally posted by heinz57_79
And if you want to bring God into it, if you want to get TECHNICAL the Bible states that "man shall not lay with man", it says nothing about woman laying with woman. So maybe the MAN who wrote that part was like so many other guys I know, a homophobe when it comes to 2 men... but 2 women.... Yeah, baby, yeah!!!!

LMAO!

**guster girl** · 11-05-2004, 07:12 PM

Just to voice my opinion on at least what ******pig*****4ever had to say. I do believe she knew what she was saying was offensive. I also believe that it probably does have to do with her age that she said it. However, and, I'm not sticking up for her, there are people in here way over the age of 13 that have said things that were just as hateful. Ignorance knows no age limit, unfortunately.

**BCBlondie** · 11-05-2004, 08:49 PM

Thank you all so much for remaining civil and not being afraid to voice your opinions and points of view.

I completely agree with the majority of you.

As for what guineapig-whatever said, I, too, think that was really insensitive.. BUT I guess I did ask for peoples' opinions and that was hers. As much as it may have been hurtful, I have to respect her opinion, and just wish that one day she will open up and become more open-minded to people that are different from her. *sighs*

**PJ's Mom** · 11-05-2004, 09:55 PM

Look at this:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...s_marriage&e=3

**aly** · 11-05-2004, 10:43 PM

Originally posted by PJ's Mom
Look at this:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...s_marriage&e=3

Ugh, I saw that on the news

They also took out any mention of condoms and other forms of birth control from the sex ed/health textbooks. They will only teach about abstinance.

**BCBlondie** · 11-05-2004, 11:20 PM

Originally posted by aly
Ugh, I saw that on the news They also took out any mention of condoms and other forms of birth control from the sex ed/health textbooks. They will only teach about abstinance.

Oh boy....

**Cincy'sMom** · 11-05-2004, 11:32 PM

I guess what I find most interesting about this issue, is it all seems to come down to the word marriage.
Those who are against gay marriage, often say civil unions are okay. Many who are for gay marriage, say they are most concerned about getting the rights of a married couple, but it seems they want to be able to call it a marriage.

So if most, no matter which side of the issue they are on, are okay with gay couples being given the rights of a married couple...why is that M word so important?

I know that is making the whole issue too simplistic, but the more I hear the debate, that (to a very uneducated about the matter, me) seems to be what alot of it boils down to.

**guineapiglover4ever** · 11-06-2004, 12:34 AM

ohh i am srry i didnt mean for my point of veiw to be mean.
sometimes i write entensivly when i am expressing my opinion

well my mom also said that it wasnt god's will so i also added that into it

**heinz57_79** · 11-06-2004, 01:12 AM

Originally posted by Cincy'sMom
I guess what I find most interesting about this issue, is it all seems to come down to the word marriage.
Those who are against gay marriage, often say civil unions are okay. Many who are for gay marriage, say they are most concerned about getting the rights of a married couple, but it seems they want to be able to call it a marriage.

So if most, no matter which side of the issue they are on, are okay with gay couples being given the rights of a married couple...why is that M word so important?

I know that is making the whole issue too simplistic, but the more I hear the debate, that (to a very uneducated about the matter, me) seems to be what alot of it boils down to.

Why shouldn't I be able to call any "union" i have with my partner a Marriage? Some people associate the word marriage with the church, however as it was pointed out earlier, a man and a woman having a ceremony with a JOP is still considered a marriage. I want to be able to MARRY my gf and have it recognised. Civil unions are, IMO, a sort of a cop out. "Let's sort of give them equal rights, but we're not really because they still can't legally be married! Muahahahaha!" If you're willing to let us have a Civil Union, then why not a marriage? And if it's religion people are concerned about, what about the gay and gay friendly churches and temples, etc? Mostly, I think they're all excuses so as to not afford us the same rights as all the "breeders".

**CathyBogart** · 11-06-2004, 01:56 AM

I have gotten very involved in these discussions here in the past, because even though it's not an issue that directly affects MY life, it's an issue that affects and hurts a lot of my friends. Overall I'm really impressed with this thread....minus one person who I'm completely appalled at! (And I don't give breaks because "They're only 13".

My brother just turned 14, and he has NEVER been hateful towards any person or group of people. Age has nothing to do with hate, unfortunately.

I'd like to add more but I'm exhausted....I hope this thread keeps going the way it has been, I really enjoyed reading all (but one of) the responses!

**carole** · 11-06-2004, 04:44 AM

Heinz I can only imagine the pain and fustration and anger you must feel when you read statements that are so against you having a marriage with your partner.

I can only hope that in time it will change, I believe in NZ it will, and as I said before I will be the first to appauld it.

I really feel in some way, some people do feel threatened by it all, and it is beyond me as to why?

As for our 13 yr olds comments, I really think one should forgive her insensitivity, she has apologised, she is rather new to this board, and I also believe it is more what she has been taught in her home by the adults around her, again she has the right to her opinion and beliefs, but yes she should have chosen her words better, hopefully she will have learned a valuable lesson from it all.

I have a 12 year old daughter, and I can only hope she can grow up to understand a union such as yours heinz and that she does not have her mind poisioned by peer groups or others, I sure hope I have managed to set her a good example, and that she will be accepting of others who are different to her.

There are just too many people in this world ready and willing to start a witch hunt, it is a sad world we live in, I just wish we could all get along, now wouldn't that be a wonderful thing.

**cloverfdx** · 11-06-2004, 04:57 AM

I sure hope I have managed to set her a good example, and that she will be accepting of others who are different to her.

What is so different, We are all human.

*Sigh* I will post more indepth a little later.

**carole** · 11-06-2004, 05:40 AM

I think you are mis-construing my words a little here, Yes we are indeed all human, agreed on that , but we are all different too,I don't think I was saying anything wrong here, I think it is important to teach a child that everyone is different and to be accepting of them no matter what our differences are, simply the point I was trying to make, nothing else ok.

Really that was exactly my point, we are all different, whether it be by colour, race, whatever, but yes we are all Human.

**mugsy** · 11-06-2004, 10:12 AM

1. I have absolutely no problem with gay marriages, and am not sure exactly what the big issue is. 2 people love each other and are committed to each other, they should be able to get married. Mike and I were married by a judge, and we're still married and committed to each other, why should I or anyone else take that right away from someone else becsause they are in love with a member of the same sex?

2. If the "13 year old's" response had been ignored, then she/he wouldn't have gotten the attention she/he was seeking.

3. I am a firm believer in keeping morality OUT of legislation. What is moral or immoral to one person, may or may not be moral or immoral to someone else...it's a matter of beliefs.

4. I was appalled that OH voted in the Constitutional amendment banning gay marriages and civil unions...it goes right back to my point 3.