Tony Blaire and the pixies

[tatsxxx11]

Ahhhhhhh, but we do!! The BBC, Sky(e??) News, embedded British journalists and plenty of home grown anti war coverage. As a matter of fact, my family subscribes to several European periodicals/papers, listens to the short wave, etc. Most of my family lives in Europe in fact. I get plenty of "world coverage." Thanks anyway!!

And did I say I was "pro war??" I don't recall that.

[RICHARD]

Originally posted by shellonabeach
Hey I just wanted to say my piece, twist it how you want, I'm not American and do not think the same way.

I just object to seeing the "US and Britain" are wonderful this and that. A large proportion of us Brits think this war is completely wrong, pity you don't get our channels and news, say what you want for America but please leave us out of it.

Sarah

check it out


US Britain




now, if you object to seeing those names together, get real close to the screen and close your left eye and the US disappears...

see no problem....we post what we want and you see what you want to see!!!!


actually we do get your BBC...and we do like it...especially that
Richard guy-anchor person. I like him, the weather lady doesn't
give the weather in my area, so i'm not so partial to her. Sorry.

[tatsxxx11]

Shell, Hmmmm, let's see. Saddam has made many enemies, most of them, his own people. Thus, if one were to drawn upon our logic, one might rightfully presume that HE is a legitimate target of hatred??

[jackiesdaisy1935]

Obviously the Brits who are fighting over there to keep all you homebodies safe don't think it's wrong, they are getting killed and maimed to protect you and their families from the WOMD. Do you really think all of us love war? It's not the war we love it's the young men and women from Britain and the U.S., many who have given up their lives to protect all of us. Why not concentrate on bringing up the moral of the young people over there, the war is not going to stop because you may carry a sign now saying "peace", give them a break and show them you appreciate the sacrifices they are making in the NAME of Peace.
You can argue with the Politicians later.
Jackie

[ChrisH]

Originally posted by shellonabeach
If people don't make enemies then they won't be targets for hatred. That's why I wish we weren't in it, we are a lot nearer than you lot to Saddam and I fear bombs that are meant for you will be pointed at us.

I am sorry but I cannot go along with this as a reason not to be involved.

Hey I just wanted to say my piece, twist it how you want, I'm not American and do not think the same way.

Yes of course you are entitled to say your piece, as am I. I say that I do not think there is one person who is a member of this board who wanted this war, but it is a fact, it is happening. So, no matter how many people think this war is wrong, no matter how many people think this war is right, makes not a jot of difference. We are in the war, Brits and Americans, together, like it or not.

I just object to seeing the "US and Britain" are wonderful this and that. A large proportion of us Brits think this war is completely wrong, pity you don't get our channels and news, say what you want for America but please leave us out of it.

I am a Brit so am part of the `us`. Please don`t speak for me.

Chris

[RICHARD]

Originally posted by ChrisH


I am a Brit so am part of the `us`. Please don`t speak for me.

Chris

You just earned yourself an Honorary American Citizenship.
Should you come to Los Angeles you can pick up the paperwork
then-and a beer, should you choose to do so. I'm buying.

[KYS]

I think most Americans have access to cable
T.V. which airs news from other countries
such as BBC. (not to mention newspaper subscriptions
from around the world.) Let's not forget the access to news
via internet around the world.


I also do not think most of us our pro-war.

But since the war has started, we tend to band
together in support of our troups/Country.

"We just don't like reading/seeing/hearing our country being BASHED."

I wonder why I can have a calm discussion with my
friend in England, my neighbor from Holland
and my friend from Germany.
All three of my friends were against the war,
but once the war started, you will not see them going to any demonstrations, nor bashing America or Britian.
(We might not agree with everything that our governments
are doing) but the one thing all of us agree upon is supporting the troups, not giving Iraq or the middle east countries any propaganda that can be used against our soldiers/countries.


I agree with Jackie, you are not
going to stop the war by holding up a Peace sign and demonstrating. You want to make changes,
write your representatives and VOTE.

shellonabeach,
In my opionion we would still have enemy's
and terrorst attackes in the future against the US and Western world, even if we were not at war with Iraq.

[momoffuzzyfaces]

Originally posted by ChrisH

Yes of course you are entitled to say your piece, as am I. I say that I do not think there is one person who is a member of this board who wanted this war, but it is a fact, it is happening. So, no matter how many people think this war is wrong, no matter how many people think this war is right, makes not a jot of difference. We are in the war, Brits and Americans, together, like it or not.
Chris

Yep, if we were given a vote and an alternative option, I'm sure we wouldn't be in the war now. Last I heard there were 46 nations who were supporting us in some way or another. I'm proud of all of them but mostly of the ones willing to put their lives on the line with us.

[Soledad]

"I agree with Jackie, you are not
going to stop the war by holding up a Peace sign and demonstrating. You want to make changes,
write your representatives and VOTE."

Well, holding a peace sign is not more productive than waving a flag. Most protesters are part of larger organisations that ARE doing more by having letter writing campaigns, dissimenating information, supporting candidates for local elections that represent their views, etc.

Also, this "war" is creating so many Bin Ladens that we will have to deal with in 20-30 years.

[mugsy]

It's too bad that there are stupid people out there who hate us just because we are us. Somehow I don't think this war is going to do much to change that either way....we are the infidels in their minds and it has been that way for a lot longer than this war or talk of this war has been going on. The bin Ladens of the world may not see the error in their ways in this life, but I feel that they probably will in the next.

[KYS]

Most protesters are part of larger organisations that ARE doing more by having letter writing campaigns, dissimenating information, supporting candidates for local elections that represent their views, etc.>>>>>>>>>>

And also "mingling" among the majority of these Peacefull protesters, are also anarchist, and other anti- US government groups, who have their own agenda.


Also, this "war" is creating so many Bin Ladens that we will have to deal with in 20-30 years. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I disagree partly with this.

The Bin Ladens of the world are already out their and
our Government has been dealing with them for several years,
Just not on American Soil.

[petsbestern]

Mugsy, I don't think that is true. People don't hate us because of who we are. If we use our brains and wonder WHY they hate us, we will find many solutions.

I believe they hate us because:

1. We station our troops in every country we can get our hands on.

2. We support other governments that aren't democratic as long as they allow our troops to be stationed in their land, against the public's will. (I don't think we would be too happy if other countries suddenly decided they needed to install their troops in our country. I can see doing that when needed, but keeping our troops in the land of others for decades is IMHO wrong)

3. We are always concerned about our safety and how we feel and how our people feel, but we care little about the millions of people around the world that have been suffering for centuries, and many of them, because of us or because of nations we "harbor." (me included. I don't realize what they go through until it happens to us at home)

I believe there must be other reasons as well.

Honestly, I do not believe anyone anywhere in the world would hate anyone just because of who they are. That just doesn't make sense. When I realize people are hating our nation, I ponder about why, and put myself in there place, and see how I would feel if I were them. I know that people once had great respect for our nation and culture. I asked myself, why are people starting to hate us. Why didn't they hate us before?

Then I read the news, do some research, and I find out why. They don't hate us because of who we are. They hate us because of our foreign policies. Because of what our government does. Things that we may see as helping or saving come to their eyes with a different perspective. They see it in a different way. They understand it in a different way. They don't think we are saving them. They think we are taking their land and trying to dominate it.

I'm not saying that's what's happening as things are so uncertain at this point, but that is what I have concluded as to WHY they hate us. I also like to ask myself, why do we hate them? It does give answers. I don't hate them, but many Americans do. We need to understand each other. We don't hate each other because of who we are. Each nation has a reason to have hatred towards another, and we need to dig through those reasons, find answers, and try to educate those who do not know about us, and only see us as terrorists.

[momoffuzzyfaces]

Originally posted by petsbestern

3.
Honestly, I do not believe anyone anywhere in the world would hate anyone just because of who they are. That just doesn't make sense. dominate it.

Does the name Hitler ring a bell? I know people who hate others because of the color of their skin or their religion or where they were born. As for the U.S. having bases in other countries; lots of those countries asked us to be there to 'protect' them from invasion of by other countries.

[tatsxxx11]

I find it very interesting that many of those who choose to pick this forum as a platform from which to vent their anit-American diatribes are too cowardly to post where they are from??? Interesting calculus.

[RICHARD]

Originally posted by petsbestern
Mugsy, I don't think that is true. People don't hate us because of who we are. If we use our brains and wonder WHY they hate us, we will find many solutions.

I believe they hate us because:

1. We station our troops in every country we can get our hands on.

2. We support other governments that aren't democratic as long as they allow our troops to be stationed in their land, against the public's will. (I don't think we would be too happy if other countries suddenly decided they needed to install their troops in our country. I can see doing that when needed, but keeping our troops in the land of others for decades is IMHO wrong)

3. We are always concerned about our safety and how we feel and how our people feel, but we care little about the millions of people around the world that have been suffering for centuries, and many of them, because of us or because of nations we "harbor." (me included. I don't realize what they go through until it happens to us at home)

I

huh????

first of all the dislike for us comes from the goverments running the show (the religions play a SMALL part also..)

secular goverments are pretty neutral when you take a look at the map.

troops in "every country we can get our hands on"???? seems like they could kick us out any time they want....

the last country we took over was TEXAS. they put up a pretty good fight too (Texans, that was not a slam, rather an endorsement of your individuality!)


the fastest way to get a people under your thumb is to keep them uneducated and slowly feed them the pablum of your regime.....

yes there are millions of people suffering under a dictator/regime/
government....but every time the US steps in people go nuts and tell us we are bullies, terrorists and put troops in every country we can lay our hands on....

which way do you want it???????

people living in the shadows of US forces, to be protected in an oblique way or should we just butt out, pull everyone home and let the downtrodden suffer.....

yeah they may hate us because of our foreign policies, but when we make a policy, for the better of a country, we get hate for doing that job.......for me, if i am gonna be hated, let it be for something I have done, not sitting around trying to cover my rear, as some countries do.

you can't have it both ways.