17 Kids!!!

[Edwina's Secretary]

The opinions on here totally amaze me. I fail to see where anyone has more right than another to live on our planet earth. Judging people by the number of children they have just isn't civilized. If they can open their hearts and love 17 kids, then so be it. I know I could never do it, but I have nothing against large families.
Some of the opinions sound like Hitler's view on Jews, he didn't think Jews should be allowed on the planet either.

I see where you might think about The Nazi's, Mike001. The Nazi's rewarded "aryan" women, such as Mrs. Duggar appears to be, for having lots and lots of babies. They needed them. More soldiers.

I suspect Mrs. Duggar's 17 would earn a medal from Hilter himself.

Beyond that...you don't make any sense...at least in context of this thread. Race, extermination....none of that is anywhere here. This is about responsibility.

If it is to each his own, I assume you won't mind if I pollute the Colorado River with toxic chemicals? Or have a garbage dump in my yard or an outhouse in my backyard..next door to you?

[critter crazy]

If it is to each his own, I assume you won't mind if I pollute the Colorado River with toxic chemicals? Or have a garbage dump in my yard or an outhouse in my backyard..next door to you?

what does having 17 kids have to do with any of that??? you dont have kids do you???

[Lady's Human]

The Nazi's rewarded "aryan" women, such as Mrs. Duggar appears to be, for having lots and lots of babies.

WTH????????

Nothing like casting aspersions without having a damned clue who you're talking about.

This is even over the top for you, Sara.

[dukedogsmom]

what does having 17 kids have to do with any of that??? you dont have kids do you???

And what does that have to do with this? I know of people with kids that have the same opinon I have about the Duggars.

[Edwina's Secretary]

WTH????????

Nothing like casting aspersions without having a damned clue who you're talking about.

This is even over the top for you, Sara.

I'm not the one who started the Nazi comparison. What aspersion did I cast? I did not suggest the Duggars are Nazis or anything of the like.

I simply stated a fact.

THIS

Some of the opinions sound like Hitler's view on Jews

deeply offended me. As it should anyone.

Or are you okay with that aspersion?

[Lady's Human]

Yeppers. Cast away on that one, I missed that.

[Edwina's Secretary]

Yeppers. Cast away on that one, I missed that.

Thank you. Apology accepted!

[crow_noir]

Sorry that i don't want to go the way of the Mayan empire.

They may be nice people, they may have a lot to teach others about love, but i still agree with the others who are saying this family is selfish.

Whatever happened to the saying "to each his own" ?? I see nothing wrong with what this family is doing. I personally would not have 17 kids, but that is just me. They can do whatever they want, this is after all America.

[Pawsitive Thinking]

17??? are they mad???

[popcornbird]

If it is to each his own, I assume you won't mind if I pollute the Colorado River with toxic chemicals? Or have a garbage dump in my yard or an outhouse in my backyard..next door to you?

Okay. This is just getting to be too much.

KIDS are KIDS. Human beings. Living beings. One of us. They are NOT toxic chemicals and cannot be compared to toxic chemicals in the Colorodo River at any cost. My gosh.

Again, I repeat, for every 1000 couples, if there is one that has 17 children, how on earth does that affect the world population? I can count on my fingertips, over 17 couples on PT that have no children, you being one of them. Now if all of those 17 people had 1 child each and the Duggars had none, there would still be the same amount of additional children in the world, the same amount of diapers, the same amount of children wasting your taxes, and yet, because it would just be 1 child per couple, no one would see a problem with it.

We are not out of resources, especially here in America. We have a HUGE country, and while cities have large populations, get out of the city, drive on the highways, and you will see hundreds of miles of undeveloped land that has yet to be populated with a single person. We have oceans full of fish, trees full of fruit. In my family's house alone, hundreds of fruit were wasted this year because there were not enough people to eat them before they fell off the trees to rot. What resources do people need? Shelter? Food? Have you ever thought about how these children might grow up to be great contributers in this society? Its possible. They may be very successful people, very special parts of their communities, and may contribute a great deal when they grow up. America will also have 17 more taxpayers who will be paying a LOT of taxes.

We don't pay taxes for this family. We pay taxes for the country, and every human being included within....that includes you and me. So...if you're paying for 302,968,100 people, or paying for 302,968,117, it really isn't going to make any difference. You also have to keep in mind that for those 17 kids that were born, there were many other people that died, keeping the population in balance.

Besides, what is the point of this discussion? Does anyone really think the Duggars would care? They're happy and content with their huge family, and that's probably all that matters to them.

And you know what else? 17 kids might be shocking, hard to imagine, and I know it leaves everyone wondering 'why?'...but I find the Duggar's dad far more admirable than another group of men in America...The group of men that stick around in bars, partying all night, make girl after girl pregnant, and leave them to raise that child on their own. I find these men to be completely worthless, heartless, people who think women are there to use, abuse, and toss away like trash. Unfortunately, there are a lot of such men who father many children from many women, and in the end, have nothing to do with the women and children. Even more unfortunately, in America, there are a lot more of these types of men, than men like the Duggar's dad, who, although fathered many children, is faithfully there for his wife and children, and hasn't abandoned a single one of them.

With a world full of unfaithful men who would rather use and dump women than care for the women they 'want', I find a man who faithfully cares for a family of 19 without giving up and running away, leaving them on their own, very admirable. His family is cared for...loved. There are so many children in this country who will never even know their fathers, because their 'wonderful dad' chose to dump their mother after making her pregnant, and going for another woman, only to make her pregnant. People like that, I have a big problem with.

[caseysmom]

Its because marriage is between man and woman, and that is how God made mankind, and made the world, and the reason He made two genders, and that's just how it is, and has been, from day 1. People can argue all they want, have whatever opinion they want to have, but at the end of the day, people do that in regards to everything. And at the end of the day, not everyone arguing is right.


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That is how many religions view the "truth", doesn't mean it is the "truth", if people find love with each other and they happen to be the same sex more power to them.

[Edwina's Secretary]

PCB...you and I respect each other. But my reproductive choices are not the issue and I am bothered that is being brought up ... as if it gives me no right to an opinion. I am concerned for the children you might have one day and other children who should be entitled to a world worth living in.

My issue is people who irresponsibly breed. Pollution is caused by people. And more people mean more pollution. And less resources.

We have oceans full of fish, trees full of fruit.

Many species of fish are becoming extinct from over fishing. And land is of no use to grow food if there isn't water. And the correct weather conditions. And the correct soil.

What resources do people need? Shelter? Food?

You are leaving out a couple of VERY important needs. Water and air. Both endangerd by overpopulation. There is a water crisis right now here in Califarnia and it will not be getting better as more people move here. Clean air? Go up on any hill around LA and tell me about the clean air! Read the air quality report in the paper.

Have you ever thought about how these children might grow up to be great contributers in this society? Its possible.

And they could grow up to be the worst mass murderers in the history of the world. It's possible. Neither you nor I know.

Sadly, I think you are correct that this family does not care what others think of the lifestyle they have chosen. In which case they should stay off television shows.

And I would like you to back up your statement that there are alot more men in the United States who abandon their children than who raise them. That is a damning statement of men and especially men in this country.

My point all along is that should not be held up as a role model or something to be admired because they are able.... and chose ...to overbreed. You are right there are many children needing a good home...good parents. Why not take care of some of those children instead of making more? THAT I would admire.

[buttercup132]

Do you have to argue and be rude in every thread.. I find you are even more so rude when the topic has to do with kids.

[Edwina's Secretary]

Do you have to argue and be rude in every thread.. I find you are even more so rude when the topic has to do with kids.

Then you should put me on "Ignore." My feelings won't be hurt!

[buttercup132]

My feelings won't be hurt!

You have feelings?! I would never have known by the way you present yourself. Hurting your feelings would be the least of my worries.