An Explanation, and a Plea for Forgiveness...

[Karen]

I forgot to say before, you give Charley a kiss on the nose for me, okay?

[DJFyrewolf36]

I havent had a chance to post until now...

I would like to say how sorry I am about you having to make this dicsion. I know you did what you felt was best for the rest of your crew and Arthur.

this has been a really sad month for many people...

*Hugs* from me and the crew

[Twisterdog]

No one has any right to condemn or judge this decision. We do not live in this house, we do not deal with these dogs. This was not our decision, nor our responsibility.

I have euthanized two foster dogs in the past for aggression. I was the one who was responsible for these dogs, and I was the one who had to make and live with the decision. It was one of the hardest things I have ever had to do, but I had to do it. And I had to deal with it. The last thing I would have needed was some uninformed people telling me I was wrong from thousands of miles away, never having met these dogs.

People seem quick to criticize at times, and quick to offer pat advice with no background or knowledge of the sitution. What people never seem to do, however, is take action. No one ever says, "I will take that dog into my home for you, then, and I will deal with his aggresion, and I will place my pets and/or children at risk." No, we won't do that ... but we will place blame and find fault.

Judge not, lest you shall be judged.

[DogLover9501]

I just wanted to say that I agree that no one has the right to judge, as none of us were there and none of us experienced it, BUT I don't think anyone was questioning anything that JC did, I think they were just expressing opinions.

I know that this was a VERY difficult decision for JC to make and I'm sure she has already went through all the "what if"s in her mind, so we don't need to make it worse.

JC-I hope Charlie is feeling better and I hope you stick around.

[RottiMommy49]

JC And Bella please believe me I was not meaning to sound judgemental over what decision you made. I don't think anything I said today insinuated that and if so i apologize. I'm not a mean, uncarring person and I try not to judge what anyone does because as I said it's not my place to do so. Yes at first I sent you my deepest sympathies as did many others. It was after reading all the posts and thinking about everything the last few days that made me think was there another way? Only because of how you described what was happening with Arthur and Charlie when you asked for advice or help. This quote is from your reply post.

We're going to be keeping the boys completely separate for the next couple days, and Arthur will be never be fed outside of his crate ever again. Charlie's looking sore, and more bedraggled than usual, and Arthur's all stiff and sore too. sigh... Arthur isn't aggressive in any other way. He's great with the kittens, Anna, Chloe, Bella and myself. And he's usually good with Charlie too, until the butthead goes after his food.

So yes it was upsetting to me that he was gone. It didn't sound so bad being as it was a food issue with Charlie and he wasn't agressive at any other time. I had hoped things would get worked out.

Now I'm really upset since you posted this today.

His aggression was no longer limited to just Charlie and his food. I could no longer take his chewies away without him going for me. NO ONE could walk near him, regardless of whether he had a chewie or not. We talked to a behaviorist. And again. And again. And again. When we did what we did, even she agreed it was for the best.

You hadn't posted that he had become agressive towards you and Bella when you posted ( He's Gone ) All I knew was that Charlie was stealing Arthurs food and that was causing Arthur to become agressive towars Charlie. No mention of any other agressiveness at that time. Not until you posted today was that brought up. That being the case we did not have all the information we have now. I still don't think the majority of people judged you but rather displayed upset over what Arthur, you, Bella& Charlie had been through. I'm certain that if everyone had known that Arthur was agressive to you and Bella some things would not have been said today. I'm very sorry for all the pain you are in over this terrible mess and the loss of your Arthur. God Bless and help you heal. Rest In Peace Arthur. I hope you find my Nikita....please give her kisses for me.

[cyber-sibes]

So sory to read about the whole situation. Your heart must be aching terribly - I hope I never have to make a decision like that. My friend had to, though, when her male akita turned on her female akita and nearly killed her (after living together for many years!) My friend also made the choice you did and immediately put her dog down, not wanting to risk his aggression worsening.
As many have said, we weren't there in your shoes.
To me, it seems like you did try, you did work with a behaviorist - and you made a sane and mature decision based on the situation. I hope Charlie heals quickly. Prayers & light coming your way ---

[CountryWolf07]

Originally posted by ChrisH
Well said!

Rest in Peace Arthur.

Same here.. I agree..

I don't understand this -- seems like something is said, and most of the time, it's bashing.. let it go, please.. all you're doing is making her heart more ripped apart..

[Tonya]

Unless one is fortunate enough to find a home with a handler that is experienced with rehabilitating aggressive dogs, I am strongly against rehoming an aggressive dog. I think it is morally wrong to hand over a knowingly aggressive dog to another inexperienced person and expect them to deal with it. People and animals die that way.

[delidog]

I Strongly feel that this person did what She had to do in Her situation....Every situation is Different...

But Again...I am not here to Judge...
Just Know that My Heart goes out to you at this difficult time...
And I hope that Charley is better soon!!!

The only thing that I will say...is No Judgement at All...

Just a Warning...STAY AWAY FromBackyard Breeders!!!
9 out of 10 Dogs with "Bad Wiring" are a result of years of cross and inbreeding ...to "Strengthen The Lineage!!!"
By Breeders who have Not a Clue what They Are Breeding!!
We have seen it over the Years in So Many Breeds!!!
Dobermans
Rottweilers
German Shepards
Dalmations
Pit Bulls
Great Danes
Yes,Even Cocker Spaniels!!!!
After Their Hips,Eyes and Every other part of their Physical is bred damaged,Then Goes their Mind!!!


R.I.P. Sweet Arthur....
You Probably Did Not Understand what was happening to you yourself...
Arthur Already Knows how much You Loved Him...He has Already forgiven you...
Play Hard at The Bridge Sweet Arthur!!!

[swimma253]

I am so sorry. RIP sweet arthur. Play hard at the bridge.

Carly

[slleipnir]

Originally posted by Kfamr
I'm glad someone said it.

I agree with Anna completely and fully.
I'll never fathom why this sweetheart was put to death so young.


And I guess that's all i'll say.

I was thinking the same...

[Samantha Puppy]

Originally posted by Twisterdog
No one has any right to condemn or judge this decision. We do not live in this house, we do not deal with these dogs. This was not our decision, nor our responsibility.

I have euthanized two foster dogs in the past for aggression. I was the one who was responsible for these dogs, and I was the one who had to make and live with the decision. It was one of the hardest things I have ever had to do, but I had to do it. And I had to deal with it. The last thing I would have needed was some uninformed people telling me I was wrong from thousands of miles away, never having met these dogs.

People seem quick to criticize at times, and quick to offer pat advice with no background or knowledge of the sitution. What people never seem to do, however, is take action. No one ever says, "I will take that dog into my home for you, then, and I will deal with his aggresion, and I will place my pets and/or children at risk." No, we won't do that ... but we will place blame and find fault.

Judge not, lest you shall be judged.

Well said, on all points.

I haven't been around much and missed this whole thing until reading the locked thread and now this one. I have to admit, I was absolutely shocked that people would have the audacity to comment on a situation that had absolutely nothing to do with them! If I were ever unforunate enough to have to deal with a similar situation, as Twisterdog said above, the last thing I'd want were some uninformed people telling me I was wrong from thousands of miles away, never having met these dogs... OR me.

JC's been a member here for quite awhile. You all probably know her better than I do, but even I can tell you that she loved her kids and I know she did everything possible to keep from putting Arthur down. She's one of us. She was faced with a horrible situation and she handled it in the best interest of herself, Bella, and their other dogs. It is really sad that Arthur had to be put down but to me, JC's actions were a hell of a lot more responsible than putting her safety, Bella's safety, and the other dogs' safety at risk OR trying to rehome an already-known aggressive dog.

JC, I'm sorry you had to deal with I know was one of the most difficult decisions you will ever have to make... and then to come here seeking support and deal with strangers questioning such a personal and sad choice - what a slap in the face. My thoughts and prayers are with you and Bella.

[lizbud]

The closed thread that I responded to expressed my confusion
about the dramatic shift in Arthur's behavior from when he was
discribed as a "weenie" and a "peacemaker" in the group to a
dog acting with full fledged aggression against both people and
other dogs. An 8 month old pup ? What the heck happened?

I didn't understand, and still don't, but another thread last Aug.
now seems prophetic. http://petoftheday.com/talk/showthre...hlight=charlie

I will not post on this subject again ever. It makes me literally
sick at heart. Rest In Peace Arthur.

[RottiMommy49]

No one ever says, "I will take that dog into my home for you, then, and I will deal with his aggresion,

I'm sorry but you are jumping to conclusions here. I'm sure had it been posted that a new home was needed for Arthur than people with experience with Rotti's and aggression would have taken him. I can tell you that we would have taken him in a heartbeat. All our dogs are rescued dogs, all came with baggage and different behavioral problems that I have been able to correct. We all live in harmony here, even when I have a foster dog. So far as judging, your post was judging everyone who took part in the replies. I just wanted to point that out!
Nobody was trying to add salt to open wounds, people were just shocked, upset, sad, etc., human nature. Speaking for myself I really don't believe I was judging and said so in my posts. It's not anyones place to judge another person unless you are God.
I'm not saying anymore about this. Look at posts and quotes from JC. Seems Charlie was the problem from the get go to me.
I still send good wishes to JC and bella and have no hard feeling towards anyone on PT. I have loved it here and still do and hope to be here for many years to come.

Sending my love and hugs to everyone.

[dukedogsmom]

Originally posted by lizbud
The closed thread that I responded to expressed my confusion
about the dramatic shift in Arthur's behavior from when he was
discribed as a "weenie" and a "peacemaker" in the group to a
dog acting with full fledged aggression against both people and
other dogs. An 8 month old pup ? What the heck happened?

I didn't understand, and still don't, but another thread last Aug.
now seems prophetic. http://petoftheday.com/talk/showthre...hlight=charlie

I will not post on this subject again ever. It makes me literally
sick at heart. Rest In Peace Arthur.

I now feel sick to my stomach. I hadn't seen that thread. So very sad. Thanks for posting that, lizbud.