Fahrenheit 911 - For those who've seen it

**RICHARD** · 07-08-2004, 04:06 PM

Originally posted by Edwina's Secretary
From your lips to God's ear.....or perhaps I should say...from your keyboard to God's computer screen!

I like to THINK I have a special connection with my God....

But, can I reboot so he doesn't get THAT message?

**allanimalswelcome** · 07-13-2004, 07:09 PM

Saw the movie, had the movie blow me away, now love MM.

Interesting fact: The New York Times checked every over every bit of that movie to see if anything was made up or false information. None was found. Everything in that movie is true.
~Rachel

**Lady's Human** · 07-13-2004, 11:29 PM

The New York Times is hardly a bastion of unbiased journalism.

Newsweek, which is hardly a republican magazine, ran a very critical piece on the factual content of the movie.

**RICHARD** · 07-14-2004, 11:36 AM

Originally posted by allanimalswelcome
Everything in that movie is true.
~Rachel

**jonza** · 07-20-2004, 12:34 PM

I haven't seen the movie yet but thought this was possibly relevant. I wonder how many of the drinks throwers HAD actually seen the movie?

Casino ejects Ronstadt over 'Fahrenheit' praise
Tuesday, July 20, 2004 Posted: 12:19 AM EDT (0419 GMT)

LOS ANGELES, California (Reuters) - Singer Linda Ronstadt was thrown out of the Aladdin casino in Las Vegas on the weekend after dedicating a song to liberal filmmaker Michael Moore and his movie "Fahrenheit 9/11," a casino spokeswoman said Monday.

Ronstadt, who had been hired for a one-show engagement Saturday night at the Las Vegas Strip casino, dedicated a performance of "Desperado" to Moore and his controversial documentary, which criticizes President Bush and the U.S.-led war in Iraq.

That dedication angered some Aladdin guests who spilled drinks, tore down posters and demanded their money back, said casino spokeswoman Sara Gorgon.
"We had quite a scene at the box office," she said.
About a quarter of the 4,500 people in the audience got up and left before the performance had finished, Gorgon said.

Before her concert, Ronstadt had laughingly told the Las Vegas Review-Journal that she hoped that the casino performance would be her last.
"I keep hoping that if I'm annoying enough to them, they won't hire me back," she was quoted as telling the newspaper.

A statement issued by the Aladdin said Ronstadt had been "escorted out of the hotel" just after her performance and said the performer would "not be welcomed back."
"Ms. Ronstadt was hired to entertain the guests of the Aladdin, not to espouse political views," the casino said.
Ronstadt was not immediately available for comment.

America - land of tolerance and free speech? This reminds me of the Dixie Chickens farce. Seems one has to be very careful what one says nowadays (if this is the whole story of course). I personally don't find spilling drinks and tearing down posters a very intelligent way of disagreeing with other people's views. Are Republicans more short tempered and intolerant than Democrats perhaps? Not being American, I wouldn't know of course.

**Logan** · 07-20-2004, 12:49 PM

I heard of this, Jonza, and was appalled, personally, that she chose this forum to pose her political views. From what was reported on ABC radio news, yesterday, she called him a "true patriot" (Michael Moore)......give me a break! Applaud his movie if you want to, but calling him a patriot???? I was dismayed, personally, and I am someone who has always loved Linda Ronstadt's music.

**jonza** · 07-20-2004, 01:07 PM

Must admit that I don't quite agree with you that Michael Moore cannot be a true patriot. (As I mentioned. I don't know the full story). I would imagine that he means well in reality, and wants the best for America. Critics of a system are not necessarily unpatriotic. I do however agree that this was not the best forum for her to choose.
But why do people have to react so stupidly?

**Logan** · 07-20-2004, 02:05 PM

In my humble opinion (only my opinion), "Patriots" don't speak poorly of their country or their President, which is exactly what he has done, time and time again.......I have no respect for him or his followers...won't get into all the adjectives I have to describe him......but I am saddened and alarmed by all the people who are OK with what he says and mostly, "how" he says it. Michael Moore, Whoopie Goldberg and many others are in the same place as far as I am concerned. There is a decent way to push another agenda. They have not chosen that path, for sure, and I am very upset about it. Can you tell???

**popcornbird** · 07-20-2004, 03:45 PM

Logan? Have you see Farenheit 911? Just wondering....

I haven't btw, but I probably will when it comes out on DVD.

**Logan** · 07-20-2004, 04:36 PM

No, PCB, I haven't seen the movie. I don't intend to. I have just seen several interviews with him and reports about the movie, which helped me form my opinion.

**Edwina's Secretary** · 07-21-2004, 09:50 AM

Patriots" don't speak poorly of their country or their President

Does this mean, Ken Starr or Rush Limbaugh, for example, are not patriots because they spoke poorly of President Clinton? Or any of the many others who criticized him and spoke poorly of him?

So not speaking against Hitler or the Nazi government would have been patriotic?

I would not want to live in a country where to speak against the action of the government or those who are governing is a bad action. Sounds too much like a country someone like Saddam would govern.

If Linda Ronstadt had praised Bush would she have been escorted out? We are in an election. That too would be a political action.

**Soledad** · 07-21-2004, 10:11 AM

You know, Sara, I had an excellent quote in my signature from a Nazi official just about that topic. It succinctly said how easy it is to manipulate public opinion by accusing anyone who disagrees with you as unpatriotic. However, I was asked by Paul to take it off because people have some sort of problem with reading comprehension and thought I was supporting Nazis.

**popcornbird** · 07-21-2004, 11:37 AM

Originally posted by Logan
In my humble opinion (only my opinion), "Patriots" don't speak poorly of their country or their President, which is exactly what he has done, time and time again.......I have no respect for him or his followers...

Dearest Logan, if that's true, then it should mean the people of Iraq don't love their country if they speak poorly of Saddam. And Logan, I know from talking to you that if Kerry wins this coming election, you wouldn't like him. Would that mean you're not a patriot anymore?

He he he...

I disagree with you on that. I guess that means half the people in the US don't care about their country. In my honest opinion, the ones that speak up against wrong, whether its against the president or whoever, are the true patriots, because they care enough about their nation to have the guts to speak up, and make people aware of what's really going on. Maybe you should watch the movie.......just watch it. You don't have to agree with things, but maybe it would help you understand the other side. I have a friend who was a total Bush lover and MM hater. She went to watch the movie, and told me the whole theater was crying, including herself. Totally changed her view on things. I really want to watch it.

**jonza** · 07-21-2004, 12:18 PM

Americans live in a democracy and the people should be free to make their own opinions known.

If Patriots won't speak poorly of their country or their President/Leader no matter what is happening, then I have no respect for patriots. That would be dangerously similar to the population of a country that caused a lot of trouble in Europe (and later the rest of the world) when I was a kid.

This isn't meant to be anti-American, I also hate all those British idiots who wander round in Union Jack pants and still believe that we have an Empire.

patriot: \Pa"tri*ot\, n. One who loves his country, and zealously supports its authority and interests.

zeal: n 1: a feeling of strong eagerness (usually in favor of a person or cause). 2: excessive fervor to do something or accomplish some end

It's the "excessive fervor" I'm not too keen on.

"So long as they don't get violent, I want to let everyone say what they wish, for I myself have always said exactly what pleased me." - Albert Einstein

**joycenalex** · 07-24-2004, 10:00 PM

...and it was hard to watch. i think of myself as fairly astute, but i didn't realize how connected the saudis and the bush family are. i am so depressed from the images and sounds. this was the first time i'd heard the planes hit the towers. i need time to think about this.