"One nation UNDER GOD" banned?

[ziron]

religious beliefs are pushed on me each day so to belittle them is no good? 1 way ticket I see

[RICHARD]

Originally posted by ziron
religious beliefs are pushed on me each day so to belittle them is no good? 1 way ticket I see

belittle, be big, be good, be bad.....

just be open!

[Edwina's Secretary]

I went to school in the "good old days" when the Christmas Pagent had a nativity etc. I was raised Catholic in a town where that was NOT common and certainly NOT on the east side of town. I know what it felt like to have my religion made fun of and belittled by the majority and it was very uncomfortable. The six, or seven, or eight year old child who would risk ridicule by being different is a strong and rare child indeed.

It is a myth that the United States was founded as a Christian nation. Thomas Jefferson, for example usually considered himself a Deist. Nor was "majority rules" the guiding principle. As we all know our current president was not elected by a majority of the voters...even putting aside the Florida fiasco. The electoral college elects the president -- not the majority of the voters. Laws are passed by congress -- not a majority of voters. And none of this is about the majority of the citizens -- merely the majority of voters (which was a quite restricted group when the country started!)

And to extend one of the arguments made...."under God" was added in 1954. Shouldn't teenage pregnancy, violence, etc, have gone DOWN after adding this prayer to public schools? Should we make the argument that adding "Under God" to the pledge has been the cause of problems in school?

[Pam]

Originally posted by Edwina's Secretary

And to extend one of the arguments made...."under God" was added in 1954. Shouldn't teenage pregnancy, violence, etc, have gone DOWN after adding this prayer to public schools? Should we make the argument that adding "Under God" to the pledge has been the cause of problems in school?

Of course not. If adding two words to anything would make a positive impact on some of the problems we face I am sure everyone would be in favor of it.

What I am trying to say is that there has been a slow turning away from anything remotely concerning God in this country over the past 50 years. If people can't see this their heads are buried in the sand.

Of course eliminating two words in the Pledge or prohibiting 'prayer in the schools' are not the whole story. They are merely indicators of the way the mindset of the masses is moving. The breakdown of the family has been mentioned and that is a 'no brainer.' There was a time when families spent more time together, ate meals at the same time, worshipped together, etc., etc. It is a complex matter at best, no doubt in part financial.

I felt a strong need to put in my two cents as the situation in the schools impacted me and my pocketbook, all because a few individuals felt these two words, and God in general, were somehow rocking their boat.

I won't respond any more to this thread. I am "unsubscribing" to it at this point. In case anyone might be interested the majority (oh there's that word again) of Americans would like the words "under God" to remain. I think the last poll I saw was around 70%. Geesh, if they don't want to say it they don't have to (we call that freedom). Much the same as I use the remote to switch channels when a program is not appealing to me.

It's been a good discussion with very little insults and I am glad, but for now I am outta here!
P.S. Sara, I went to a school which was 95% Jewish (I am not). We were shut down on Jewish holidays. The Bible reading I referred to earlier was from the Old Testament. We shared Holiday expressions (Christmas trees, Menorahs, etc.) We learned a lot from each other and still managed to keep God in.

[Amber]

My opionion is to keep it. I believe in God. And If you don't then, just dont say 'under God' its as simple as that. Just dont go into a hassle of changing everything that we are already used too.
Like our money. You know how hard that would take to change it all?

[2kitties]

Amber, what if the pledge read Under Muhammad. Would your arguement still hold weight in your mind if the shoe was on the other foot?

[GoldenRetrLuver]

Originally posted by Amber
And If you don't then, just dont say 'under God' its as simple as that.

I agree.

[CathyBogart]

or "Under Goddess"

[Amber]

Originally posted by 2kitties
Amber, what if the pledge read Under Muhammad. Would your arguement still hold weight in your mind if the shoe was on the other foot?

I have no clue what that means. But I am just going to stick to my opinion, k?

[popcornbird]

Originally posted by 2kitties
Amber, what if the pledge read Under Muhammad. Would your arguement still hold weight in your mind if the shoe was on the other foot?

I don't see how that makes any sense at all. That's like saying Under Noah..........same thing. Both prophets. Prophets were men sent by God with His message for mankind, but, they are *not* God, nor equal to Him. I believe Muhammad is a Prophet sent by God, but even then, I would object to the pledge saying under Muhammad, or under Moses, or under any other prophet. Yes prophets were great noble men, but they do not equate to God. They were people. They do not compare with God, and cannot be held as high as God either, so comparing a prophet to God in the issue of a pledge sounds plain silly to me.

[lizbud]

Originally posted by Amber
I have no clue what that means. But I am just going to stick to my opinion, k?

Amber,

Are you related to our President George W. Bush ? LOL.

Just asking,

[CamCamPup33]

Originally posted by Amber
I have no clue what that means. But I am just going to stick to my opinion, k?

LOL!

[Amber]

Hahahaha! gosh, I hope not!


lol

[2kitties]

Pops, my mistake. I realize the Muhammad is a prophet. What is God called in Islam? Allah? You'll have to educate me. But the point stays the same and I think you understood my point, Pops.

Amber, I will explain for you what I mean. If the pledge referred to a religion that is not your own, would you still feel the same way? That is what I'm trying to say.

[Cataholic]

I want to enact a law that FINES the person, automatically (as who could monitor it?) everytime this person says, "OMG", "GD* it", or "go to H***", etc....he he he...