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  1. #46
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    Okay I've gotta ask. Why do dogs need to play with other dogs to be socialized? I consider Oz to be quite friendly towards other dogs, but he does not get to play with them. He's exposed to them weekly with agility training, but through that controlled environment, he learns to more or less ignore them and focus on me. I actually prefer that. We can walk through the neighborhood and he's not barking, lunging or pulling on the leash to get to other dogs. And he gets plenty of play with me and Murph, so he's not lacking for play at all.

    As to Murph, he's very similar to Oz in that he ignores other dogs, when he's on leash. I can take him to places with other dogs, without worry as long as he's on leash, and being a terrier he's on leash 24/7, when he's outside our backyard or house. So no worries there. Now if I took him to a dog park, I'd have major worries. Who he might take a dislike to and attack in the small dog area and hurt, and who in the big dog area would hurt him, because he's not going to back down. I just don't see the benefit. He also gets enough play with me and Oz, and he's not sequestered away at home. So it's not like he's deprived.

    Anyway I'm not suggesting what's right for anybody else, I'm just curious why they need to actually play with other dogs to be well socialized vs just being around other dogs. I also worry that one really bad encounter with another dog could actually ruin my dog's attitude towards other dogs.

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    I dont know about others but happy cannot be socialized on a leash, or if someone has physical control over her, she flips, she will bark and lung, and start a fight however if she is off leash and controled ONLY by my verbal commands she is very friendly. she just does not feel safe when she is controled, it makes her feel trapped, and and frightend like if something should happen she wont be able to get away. on leash she has gone crazy one week when it mom was handling her(I was not there) she grabbed happys collar instead of letteing happy meet the dog on her own terms, big mistake. happy will be very calm as long as she is not physicly controlled in any way.
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    Originally posted by Twisterdog
    Ah, come on! It's below zero outside, and everyone is still asleep. Don't call it "arguing" ... call it "debate", passing the time on a boring Sunday morning.
    Yes, see but I was passing the time for entirely too long...I needed to go take a shower and actually accomplish something! Ok, so I didn't really accomplish anything.

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    Originally posted by Tonya

    Everyone else says little jokingly comments like "Haha, look how Dusty paws at all the dogs, he's trying to body slam them...." I've came right out and asked them if they want me to call him back. And everytime the owner laughs and says "Oh, no, they are just having fun...my dog will get used to it, he needs some real play...." Everytime, I've called my dogs back, the people will be "No, no, let them be! They're fine."

    I don't know if these people are just trying to be polite or if it truly doesn't bother them.
    This is exactly what happens to me.
    Our dog park has also
    1) a rule if a female is in heat she isn't permitted in the park
    2) a time out cage so if the dogs get a little overzealous you can sock them in there. Keegan has been in there a time or 2
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    Brie ... Micki is absolutely right. You DON'T know me at all. And I find it incredibly rude and presumptious of you to act as if you do. But, I'll attempt to let you get to know me a little better in this post. Be careful what you wish for ...


    Originally posted by Brie
    twisterdog... the difference between you and me when we go to dog parks is....
    False assumption number one: Where did I ever say I went to dog parks? I said specifically that I do NOT go to dog parks. So, you have no idea what I do when I go to a dog park ... since I don't even go, and you've certainly never personally seen me at one, have you?


    I go and talk to all the other owners in the park. By the time I leave not only have my dog interacted with every dog there. I have interacted with ALL the dogs AND the people.
    You claim to have interacted with ALL the dogs and ALL the people at your dog park. Small dog park? Or do you stay there for twelve hours? Because some of the large dog parks cover miles and miles of trails, and hundreds of people and dogs may be using them at the same time. Don't assume every dog park is like your dog park.

    If you automatically crawl up into a little hole and put up a wall, how's ANYONE going to ever get in? you'll never get a chance to know if anyone is ever trust worthy if you don't take that risk and extend your hand for that first shake.
    False assumption number two: You obviously haven't read too many of my posts, have you? If you had, you would see that my personality is ANYthing but a hole-crawling, wall-building, risk-avoiding wall-flower. I take PLENTY of risks, dear. You have no idea what my life is like. The fact that you would even attempt to analyze me, and be sooooo far off the mark to boot, is very amusing to me. I said I won't go to dog parks. That hardly means that I am a sniveling basket case of terror, now does it?


    Nothing in this world is guaranteed to be safe. Have you ever heard of harm reduction? It's a term most commonly used in drug education. Basically applying it to this situation... by taking my dogs to the dog park I am teaching them how to behave with other dogs of a variety of sizes and personalities in a variety of different situations, therefore reducing the risk of future problems..
    False assumption number three ... that my dogs do not know how to behave with other dogs of a variety of sizes. If you would have read my posts more carefully, you would have seen that I mentioned that instead of going to dog parks, a group of people have organized, and private, sessions with our dogs. My dogs are VERY well socialized, and have never been the cause of a fight. They are used to dogs from 5 pounds to 200 pounds. One of their best friends is a mastiff. Since you've never met me or my dogs, and apparently you don't read too carefully, you should not assume anything.


    I have a a 17lb Boston terrier, so I too am a small dog owner. Yes he goes to the dog park and he loves it! Yes he does go over into the big dog area and into parks that don't have that seperation between big and small dogs....

    False assumption number four ... that everyone has access to a dog park that has a "big dog" and a "small dog" area. You said yourself that you don't take your dog "into parks that don't have that seperation between big and small dogs." You are assuming everyone lives somewhere where they have that luxury. To the best of my knowledge, which is fairly extensive since I own a grooming shop, boarding kennel, do breed rescue and direct a no-kill shelter, there is no "seperated" dog park for over 200 miles from here. That'd be a bit of a drive. I also mentioned this fact in one of my posts.

    I think you're putting you're dogs at a greater risk by not socializing them with dogs of ALL sizes. Cause now, they don't know how to play with big dogs...

    How incredibly rude - and false - to say that I've put my dogs at risk by not socializing them, and assuming they don't know how to play with big dogs. Where, pray tell, did you EVER see me say or imply anything of the sort? I normally have between two and four foster dogs at all times, for one thing. (Although I've taken a bit of a break lately.) That is in addition to all the other dogs they meet between my work, my volunteering, my friends, my family, and the groups of us that get together with our dogs. You, frankly, have no clue what you are talking about. You think just because I don't go to public dog parks that my dogs get no socialization at all? My, what a giant leap of logic that is.


    And I think it's sad that to protect you and yours you're not open to new experiences that require a little bit of risk.

    I have to ask... do you enjoy roller coasters? How about cooking? Do you take asprin or any medication.... have you read the warning labels on these? Do you operate a motor vehicle? -- All of these things are a risk every time you do them.
    I can't decide if this is funny or just pathetic. You have NO idea about me, or my life. What a lot of melodramatic hogwash.


    And Ms. Wolf_Q .....

    I needed to go take a shower and actually accomplish something!
    Where are your priorities??


    Edit: I just realized that you said you DO take your dog into the "big dog" side. When I first read it, I thought you said you did NOT. Sorry, my mistake.
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    Originally posted by Twisterdog
    That hardly means that I am a sniveling basket case of terror, now does it?
    ROTFLMAO

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    Originally posted by Twisterdog

    And Ms. Wolf_Q .....

    Where are your priorities?? [/B]
    Not where they should be, I can guarantee that...but showers are important!

    I did wrestle an almost 18 year old poodle and give him a haircut (and surprisingly, all of my fingers are still fully functioning...no bite marks!) so I guess I can count that as an accomplishment!

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    Wow! This thread has really started something.

    I think you are doing just fine at the dog park, Tonya. If that one lady's dog continues to be a problem and she talks to you about it than you should just be honest and tell her that you think her dog is the one with the problem. Maybe even some other dog owners could try to talk to her.

    As for dog parks, I love dog parks! I wish we had one close by. We are checking in to one that is about an hour away. It is acutally filled up right now and we have to be on a waiting list. Sounds like they have very strict rules, which I like. I don't know if dog parks are good or bad. All I know is that I absolutely love to watch Katie run free and to see her interact with other dogs. She seems to truly love it and I love it because I get to see lots of dogs! Yes, anything can happen at any time. I have learned that I have to watch Katie at all times and make sure that I am ready to step in if something does happen. I have only been to a dog park twice and that was the Findlay Pet Talk get togethers and of course everyone there is great and helpful.

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    Like I was saying, dog parks are so new to me! I don't even know if there are any in Tennessee! I had never even heard of one! I really feel like a hick now for sure!!!!!

    I had never heard of one at all until I came to Pet Talk. Then I heard about how everybody was talking about Dog Parks, and for a while I thought they were just talking about a regular park. Then I hear about the rules and waiting list to get into a dog park! I do need to be more informed. Don't I??

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    Originally posted by trayi52
    Like I was saying, dog parks are so new to me! I don't even know if there are any in Tennessee! I had never even heard of one! I really feel like a hick now for sure!!!!!

    I had never heard of one at all until I came to Pet Talk. Then I heard about how everybody was talking about Dog Parks, and for a while I thought they were just talking about a regular park. Then I hear about the rules and waiting list to get into a dog park! I do need to be more informed. Don't I??

    Willie
    Don't feel bad, Willie. I was the same way until I came here. Staci is the one that gave me a great website to see if there is a dog park close to you. I think it is www.dogpark.com. See if that works. I'll look it up again to make sure that is it.

    Robin

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    I was wrong, Willie. It was Amy who gave me the website and it is www.thedogpark.com. Check it out to see if there is one near you.

    Robin

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    The first time I was ever at a dog park was at the Pet Talk meeting this past fall.
    I know Sierra and Buddy play VERY rough with each other, so I was careful when entering. Sierra was a little Angel playing with everyone from the Great Danes to the tiny 12 week old puppy. She LOVED Anna's Roxey... might I add!

    Buddy, on the other hand


    (as you that were with us noticed)

    that I had to keep him on a leash the entire day because he wouldn't let dogs get near me. He would give a BIG deep bark to any four legger that came to close.
    He had NO problem with people comming near me, or people petting him. But I learned that Buddy sees all other dogs as a threat to me. (ahhhh my own body guard )
    So I learned!

    He is a big brut and loves to play rough, Sierra can handle it and give it right back to him!! (you go girl!)

    So, I really didn't know what to expect when I got there, and now I do! Now I know that more then likley I will never take Buddy to a dog park again!
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    Can you believe it? It only shows four and the nearest one is a little over a hundred miles from me, in Nashville. I think I'll check Alabama, I live very close to the Alabama State line.

    These were the ones that showed up in Tennessee:

    Steele Creek Park
    City: Bristol
    Address:
    Directions:
    Hours:
    Comments: It is an excellent park to take your dog.

    BARK 'N' PARK
    City: COOKEVILLE
    Address: 3626 EATON ROAD
    Directions:
    Hours: M-F 8-5 s&s call
    Comments: A fenced in place for pets to run and enjoy. 1.5+ acres. Newly opened, we will be adding agility equipment and other fumn doggy stuff. Included (to open spring 2003) will be 85 acres on Nature Trails to enjoy onleash.

    Shelby Farms
    City: Memphis
    Address: Gate 12 off Raliegh-La Grange Rd.
    Directions:
    Hours:
    Comments: This is an area that is leash free within a larger park. Access to this area is through Gate 12. Before 12pm, another area, Patriot Lake, allows dogs off leash as well.

    Maggie's Bark Park
    City: Nashville
    Address: 138 Claude Yates Drive
    Directions: We are located 15 miles south of Nashville, Tennessee.
    Hours:
    Comments: Park has a quarter of a mile on leash trail, and a very large fenced area filled with agility equipment for off leash fun. The park is located on the property of Williamson County Animal Control, and the money was donated to start the park by two of our very special volunteers to honor their Bearded Collie Maggie, they lost last year at the age of 14 years. The purpose of the park is for all animal lovers to enjoy their pets in a safe enviroment, and to promote adoptions from Williamson County Animal Control.

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    Funny it only showed one in Alabama, there has to be more than that!!

    We are just so far behind, I think we are still living in the dark ages!

    Willie

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    Unfortunatly, not every dog park that exsists is listed on the web. Someone has to infor the site host and then they are listed. Both links Robin posted list dog parks, but www.dogpark.com is "Under Construction" right now. It used to be the one I used all the time.

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