breeding delima

**primabella** · 07-03-2003, 04:45 PM

Originally posted by cali
well my opinion when my dogs are healthier then they have ever been before its best for my pets

Okay then I'm glad it all worked out for you.

**KYS** · 07-03-2003, 05:14 PM

Cali, holistic breeders still take their dogs to the vets for
other tests.
(this was all new to me 9 years ago)
Sheba breeder did not believe in vacinating (accept
for rabies) and he used Nosodes.
After speaking to my vet, I decided against it,
and the breeder vacinated Sheba for me.
Now vacination protocal might change in the future,
where you do not need to vacinate yearly for certain
disease's such as distemper and Parvo.
Sheba will be 10, and I might no longer vaccinate her
accept for rabies.

But "reputable" breeders who do use holistic methods
study their dogs lines for genetics problems to pick
the perfect match before breeding.
They also go to the vets and get the required tests
done for known heriditary diseases known to that
breed. example: ( cerfs for the eyes) elbow and hip testing, or
even certain blood tests.
So just because a breeder doesn't believe in vacinating,
does not mean they do not still check for other diseases
in their breeds lines before breeding.

**Tonya** · 07-03-2003, 07:05 PM

I don't know much about dogs, but there are plenty of humans that don't get vaccinations. Contrary to popular belief, it is NOT the law. Did you know that they guy that invented the polio vaccination killed a few of his children in the process?

They did a study on an island where a disease (I am sorry I don't remember which one) was detected all over this island, yet none of the natives had it. They did not have vaccinations. They figured out that through the mother's breast milk, immunity had been passed on. These vaccinations are a small amount of the disease injected into the body.

I work with a guy who himself and all three of his children and his grandchildren have almost never even had the common cold let alone any other disease or illness. They never had vaccinations. They never see the doctor. They eat well and take their vitamins. They stay away from unnatural products.

I would have never looked into this until my son came out with ADHD. There are tons of children and people studied, they are trying to figure out why there are so many more ADHD cases today then thirty years ago. They took thousands of kids off of preservatives, food dyes, medications, and all that extra crap we have in life. Almost all of the kid's syptoms went away. From autism, to asthma, to frequent colds, you name it.

I think society might be going overboard. We pop a pill or take a shot for just about anything these days. I don't think it is to far fetched or negligent to not get your children or pets shots. My son and pets have their shots. I am undecided on rather or not my next child or pets will. This is a subject that I am still researching. Sorry if I got to far off subject.

**cali** · 07-03-2003, 07:16 PM

Cali, holistic breeders still take their dogs to the vets for

I never said they did'nt, of coarse they get there dogs tested for other things, just as i plane to do with misty, its only the vax I am against

tonya I agree with you 100%

I dont get vaccinations anymore either, and I am healthier too, when I did get shots I got stomich pains all the time, and was always sick, after my mom stoped with the dogs she stoped me to, now in the whole year I had only 8 absences when before I was always missing weeks of school at a time. I do think people have gone WAY overboard, with the whole vax, and antibiotics thing.

**zanzanfergie** · 07-03-2003, 07:57 PM

Ok, this topic has made me slightly nervous, because I haven't liked to mention it before but I will now.
When Lucy turns two years old she will be bred. My neighbours (her owners) aren't doing it themselves, because they don't have any experience with dogs - she'll go back to her original breeders and have puppies from a Golden Retriever stud. This has all been arranged since before Lucy was born, apparently, and my neighbours took Lucy as a pet with all those conditions.
I don't know if this is different to what this topic is about - 'irresponsible' breeding if you will. But Lucy has a pedigree and everything, and is part of a breeding program that screens against hip displaysia and eye defects. I don't know if that makes it better.
I volunteer at a shelter and see the dogs everyday so when they told me that Lucy was having puppies it was very confusing as to know whether to laugh or cry. Because all the good owners buying Lucy's puppies could be taking home dogs from the shelter.
I guess all this is another side of the coin too.

**Kfamr** · 07-03-2003, 08:01 PM

Zan, your story is way different. Lucy is going to a responsible breeder ( i assume) is going to be bred. Lute, which is 14, wants to breed. She is a child. I am a child as well. It is hard for me to take care of Nala, and she's just one puppy, let alone who knows how many will be in the litter if she does breed.

**Logan** · 07-03-2003, 08:50 PM

I want to make sure that I go on record correctly. I LOVE purebred dogs. I also know of dozens that are in rescue groups, looking for homes, just right here, just Golden Retrievers. I am absolutely not against purebred puppies from reputable breeders. All three of our dogs were purchased as puppies.......but I didn't know what I was doing then, either!! Am I sorry I got Honey and Lilly? NO WAY!!! I just would probably do more research for a breeder next time and not encourage the backyard breeders to have any more puppies by buying one of theirs. And most likely, my next dog will be a rescue dog.

**allanimalswelcome** · 07-03-2003, 09:10 PM

Without precribed pills I would be incredibly sick.

Without precribed pills my acne would have left behind some unpleasent features on my face.

But that's just me.

Don't breed your dogs please. Not only are there enough dogs in shelters you don't seem to educated. Being a breeder is hardwork and not always someones cup of tea.

And what if you can't find homes for the puppies?

~Rachel

**allanimalswelcome** · 07-03-2003, 09:18 PM

Well my dad does work for Pfizer so I guess that's why I am for vacinations so much...

~Rachel

**Tweety_Pie** · 07-03-2003, 10:10 PM

If you can't find homes for the puppies, you keep them intill they are sold. My aunt breeds Great Danes and she is CKC registered. And she is also a vet. My aunt knows what she is doing and is willing to keep the pups intill they find proper homes. Most breeders that are backyard breeders, turn the pups loose, get them put to sleep, or give the to shelters. SO you do have to be prepared because it's lots of money and work.

**aly** · 07-03-2003, 11:10 PM

ARGH! I haven't even finished this thread yet and I'm not even sure that I will

Cali - I'm tired of hearing this nonsense about how your animals don't go to the vet. That greatly saddens and disturbs me like you will never know.

I have just spent some time on natural rearing websites and I think its completely bogus and stupid. You cannot put RESPONSIBLE BREEDER and DOESN'T GO TO THE VET in the same sentence. That is NOT responsible!!!!!

Lute, if you really want to breed, go get some sea monkeys or an ant farm. I'm not trying to be rude, but there are so many dogs dying in shelters as we speak! Innocent lives are being lost for no reason!!!

**cali** · 07-03-2003, 11:19 PM

I dont care what you think, aly, there is more then one way of thinking and doing things. get used to it.

**GoldenRetrLuver** · 07-03-2003, 11:22 PM

I agree aly. You can't put responsible breeder and doesnt go to the vet in the same sentence. It doesnt make sence.

**Kfamr** · 07-03-2003, 11:26 PM

More than one thing of doing thing... One is way more intelligent though.

**binka_nugget** · 07-03-2003, 11:44 PM

Lute..here's a thread in another forum about breeding. I think it's very well written and worth 5 minutes to read. (Thanks to cali for sending me the link to this forum lol)

http://www.mydogsite.com/boards/inde...=ST&f=2&t=810&