110 year sentence (or 10 for good behavior)

[Lady's Human]

No, Irescue, you just called all of us scum. Big difference.

[Vela]

I guess you ought to be thankful you even have the right to "fight" to have your symbols added, you wouldn't get that option in most other places. You take a whole lot for granted that a lot of men and women died for.

[IRescue452]

I take it for granted? This country isn't even the U.S. to begin with. Maybe we take it for granted how easy it is to wipe people out when they aren't a convenience.

[Lady's Human]

Wisconsin isn't the USA? Damn, I must have missed the secession.

[moosmom]

Irescue,

I suggest you give up cuz you're not gonna win. Instead, you've managed to piss off alot of people. You're entitled to your opinion and you've voiced it. Move on already.

[Alysser]

Wisconsin isn't the USA? Damn, I must have missed the secession.

[critter crazy]

I never said I flat out hate anybody who was a soldier. I said I have a hard time relating to and trusting certain people. .

Unfortunately after many many many stories like this I don't like any soldiers at all.

Hmmm.....sounds like You DONT LIKE ANY SOLDIERS AT ALL!!!!! Pretty much means hate in my book!

[Sirrahsim]

Wisconsin isn't the USA? Damn, I must have missed the secession.

[Jessika]

I would just like to take this opportunity to thank the veterans among us PT-ers, or PT-ers with friends and family in the military and let you know that you all and they all have my utmost and deepest respect.

Thank you for your services to this country.

For every "bad apple" that are against soldiers, there are thousands upon thousands others that do appreciate your service to this country. And I think I speak for... well almost all of us here at PT when I say - thank you. Honestly and truly, thank you.

[crow_noir]

Woah now just a dam* minute! I never once stated my hatred of the military or the war in this thread (or my entire existence on this forum as far as i can remember.) Do NOT say i said things that i didn't.

My point in posting this thread is just how sick some individuals can be. How horrible it was what these humans did, these humans who are SUPPOSED to be making PEACE keeping efforts.

This thread had NOTHING to do with my dislike of this war. IF i had wanted to discuss my dislike of the war i would have STARTED or dug up a thread with a title something to the effect of "This War Blows Chunks Of Beer Vomit"

And you don't know me... I have friends and family in the military. I have never once said anything disrespectful to them about their choices. I have even gone to parades for the soldiers. I have shaken their hands, when i was younger I've saluted them. Do NOT put your interpretation of my *actions* down as if they were my own words!

A Lady Zana......how could I ingnore this post.
Ingrate = Ungrateful; an ungrateful person. (According to the Westminster dictionary). You think by calling people ingrates is offensive ???? Well, it seems then that the truth may hurt some. But why would someone be offended by being called ungrateful ????? And isn't that just what Crow has indicated here ?????? She has posted her distaste for war and the military....ALL OF IT !!!!!!! How can she not see what the military has done for her in the past ???? And probably in the future ???? Is that not ungrateful ????? Even if it is her opinion ?????? And yours ????
Honey (please excuse the patronising, but I guess it is my right to say whatever I want to), I'm a Vietnam veteran, and I'll tell you exactly what offensive means.....it means being spat at, ridiculed, called a baby killer, and generally shunned by a certain section of society. But I'm not really that offended by what I experienced, simply because I CHOSE to do what I did, just like Lady's Human here did, professional soldiers, doing what WE believe is the right thing for our country. I really don't care what you believe is the right thing, as much as you don't care what I do. But I hold my peace, I don't go bashing anti war activists, in fact in all the time I have been on PT, I have probably never even mentioned war (except for on occasion with Lady's Human when we PM each other about our experiences).
But, you know, I don't really care what Crow said....true....I've been there, and heard that, it just goes in one ear and out of the other for all that it matters to me. But what I do find I'm annoyed about is being told that my post is offensive !!!!! If one takes issue with being called ungrateful because of what they have said about those who ultimately are responsible for her rights and protection, then she deserves to feel offended about that.
And....for the record.....you mention US patriots, the French and English revolutions ????? Ummmmmmmmm.......they ALL actually formed militias, which is certainly akin to an army at the time.....if they never did that, they would have had buckleys chance of winning. So I stand by my statement, that soldiers have given people the right of free speech, and the right to burn the flag, and they try VERY hard to maintain those rights for you.....do not assume that they are just magically available to you....people have fought and died for that privilege you have.

""However, know it is not ONLY military who defends our rights. The peacemakers do as well.""

Really ???? And how long do you think that would be the case without a military ?????

Wom

[crow_noir]

Lady Zana, I was so VERY glad to seen your post. You said what i was too afraid to say.

I'm so tired of our military getting ALL of the credit keeping our freedoms.

We learn in high school government that by exercising our freedoms we are in turn protecting them. We The People. ALL of us.

Those of us that VOTE and those of us that raise our voices up to our officials. Those of us that protest, those of us who start and sign petitions, those of us that write letters.

And those who start rebellions against unjust governments who get too big for their britches (though sadly it seems those days are long over. Still, my respect goes out to those who gave their lives for freedom.)

Those that write lyrics who move the people who action, those that are brave enough to sing those songs.

The list is almost endless of those we can thank for our freedoms. First and foremost though are our intelligent and forward thinking forefathers.

Who gave her the right to free speech and the ability to burn the flag? The Patriots.....who went to war over having to pay extra taxes. France had a revolution because the people were starving. England had a revolution because their people were starving and out of work. America had a revolution so they wouldn't have to be taxed.

The military doesn't give the right free speech and they aren't the only ones who protect it. The people who USE it also protect it....and she's using to it to voice her opinions and she has this right like everyone else on this board.

"America - love it or leave it." - One of the most Un-American ideas in my opinion. It should be "America - love it or work to change it." We have that right and are very special for it.

Being anti-military might be offending to you. It's her right to be anti-military like it is mine. It's your right to join the military if you want. However, know it is not ONLY military who defends our rights. The peacemakers do as well.

[crow_noir]

Please find the post where I called soldiers scum. I can't find it. (And i can honestly say the only thing i've changed on this topic were a couple of spelling errors and the title of this thread to correct the time.)

No sweetie.....you called us all scum!!!!
That is your opinion of me.......I gave you my opinion of you.
Do I know you ???? Nope !!!!
Do you know me ???? Nope.
You called me scum, I'm calling you an ingrate.
Fair enough ??????
Wom

[jackie]

Please find the post where I called soldiers scum. I can't find it. (And i can honestly say the only thing i've changed on this topic were a couple of spelling errors and the title of this thread to correct the time.)

He is confusing you with IRescue. Who did call soldiers scum, then edited it.


IRescue-
You remind me of a little kid throwing a stone, then running and hiding when the other kids start throwing them back. If you had the courage to post such an opinion, why did you edit it, then continue to defend it? I don't understand.

BTW, who's opinion is it that soldiers are defending me? So far as I'm concerned I had many of my rights as a U.S. citizen and a human being denied recently

Can you list the rights that you have been denied lately? Or even one?

[wombat2u2004]

Folks...........
I have offered my sincerest apologies to Crow by PM, to make amends for mistakenly mentioning her name in my posts where I should have been referring to ID Rescue.
(I gotta change my medication.)
SORRY CROW !!!!!!!!
Wom

[IRescue452]

I edited because people were twisting the sentence. We all know from previous flame throwing posts (and there are so many on PT), that pters can't comprehend English so well. They hear what they want to, and if they don't hear it, they twist around words until they do.